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Originally posted by UPTRAIN Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ronsmith Member sinceMay 2001 From: US 39 posts Posted by ronsmith on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:40 AM You will see trucks on both lines weekly and usually on Mondays, there will be a crew that tightens bolts in the diamond. Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:43 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I've seen them on the cam quite regularly in fact much more often then the BNSF inspectors [:p][:D][:)] Originally posted by UPTRAIN I am watching a BNSF truck going down the rails right now! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,873 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:55 AM It's not uncommon to see crews working on the diamond almost daily. In addition to the bolts, I think they weld to build up worn surfaces. MC can elaborate. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:04 AM You know I wonder with all the heavy traffic (long, long coal trains) they do not replace the Rochelle diamonds more often just to be on the "safe" side. In Colton CA there is a duplicate of this diamond & 2 years ago they had the new diamond laid out with the direction it was to be installed. Last year when I returned the diamonds had been replaced & the type of traffic in Colton + the volume is less then Rochelle. [:o)][:D][:p][:)] Originally posted by tree68 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:40 PM The last time i know of Rochelle replacing the diamonds was back on Sept. 26, 2000. Shut the junction down for about 1 1/2 hours. After that it was a railfan heaven. i caught 40 trains in 4 1/2 hours. Reply Edit JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,286 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:50 PM Csx checks the diamond at deshler everyday.its still a reduced speed work zone.the diamond needs replaced.when csx will replace it time will tell. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:09 PM ...Just saw 2 men working on the diamonds at Rochelle...{They quit at 6:00 pm CDT}...and right after they got off the tracks a UP train came through towards the camera....About 20 minutes before a south bound BNSF train came through....Sun is blaring in the cam now..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:12 PM ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:24 PM i have dsl and it isnt working (the webcam) could it be norton???? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:25 PM to be more specific it says "sitecam live initializing or something like that " Reply Edit Mikeygaw Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Philadelphia, PA, USA 655 posts Posted by Mikeygaw on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:38 PM you got it right in your first post... Norton doesn't seem to like the camera. I usually would disable Norton while watching the camera, then restore it when finished Conrail Forever! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:43 PM could you explain how ???? thanks in advance Reply Edit mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Welders ringing up the overtime Modelcar! Most likely one of the frog inserts chipped out! (Dispatchers probably chased them off to run the trains) With the tonnage accross the diamonds at Rochelle, I would imagine that both railroads at minimum, patrol track 2-3 times a week plus when there is a weather related or or other crisis that requires a special inspection. I also imagine both railroad's track inspectors know the other guy's telephone number and radio call sign/ unit number . Plus, i would not be surprised if the railroad roadmaster who is responsible for maintenance on the crossing frogs is driving by daily or has somebody like a foreman or welder looking daily. Without rehashing old posts, please remember that: (1) each of those crossing frogs (16 here in 4 diamonds) is custom made from special plans peculiar to that crossing.. They are made in 1 of 5-6 places that are the only places in the country that make 'em. (IronKen used to do that) (2) the castings are explosive hardened in crossing frogs like Rochelle, made of the hardest cast manganese that you can find... (3) are still the most brittle things to be in the track structure (they get beat to death by all the tonnage, you don't want them in the track if you can avoid it (JoeKoh has seen them taken out due to infrequent use by one railroad) (4) they cost $200,000 - $350,000) a pop to totally renew (at Rochelle, multipy x 4) (5) from order to delivery takes 6-8 months or more. (6) they are a nightmare to maintain, welding broken inserts is an art and time consuming... (7)replace a crossing frog in 1 1/2 hours? [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D].....maybe an insert. Replacing one diamond/ crossing frog properly and entirely from the subgrade up is going to take 12-16 hours straight (Not a fun process) (8)At a place like Rochelle, they go through frog bolts faster than Sherman marched through the south. (and those rascals aren't cheap either) (9) to keep the crossing frogs in good shape, the roadmaster is obsessive about maintaining the ties, drainage, subgrade and foundation underneath. (Probably is asphalt under there somewhere) spbed - know the crossing frogs at Colton well. When SP was around, they were broke and could not maintain them as they should. Santa Fe was forever sending their welders over there. UP merger was the best thing that ever happened at Colton. [banghead][banghead][banghead] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:44 PM ....Looked to be two workers doing some work at the diamonds and I was wondering how that is done safely....with 4 tracks to watch for oncoming traffic...Is one fellow doing the watching {for traffic}...? Thinking if the wind is blowing a certain direction they may not hear the oncoming train, etc....or is there a radio on to alert them of oncoming traffic...? It simply looks dangerous. Crossing has lots of traffic. Quentin Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:50 PM I have occasionally seen the welders working at night with flood lights. I bet it's really hard to any kind of a MOW window on both roads. dd Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:32 AM MC - I was going to e-mail you about this, but decided to let everyone take a swipe at me. Would an overpass instead of diamonds be a solution? BNSF going to an overpass and UP staying on the ground? I know everything is horribly expensive, but this would be a one time expenditure. Now tell me where I have birdseed for brains...... Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:46 AM Yes everything you say is understandable. I have been watching the cam for several years & so far the diamonds have never been replaced. Whereas as I posted up in the thread at Colton CA there is another diamond that handles less volume & less tonnage (no coal trains) were replaced last year. You would think from a safety point of view instead of welding, tighting nuts etc, etc why not just replace them every couple of years? When you think of all the manpower we see manitaining them it would seem to be a far cheaper & safer solution. By the time I 1st hit Colton the UPRR had the SPRR in its grip for 7 years so I think there has to be some other reason why the Colton diamond was completely changed out & the Rochelle one has not. Also the Colton diamond handles ALL the BNSF traffic from So. California (so it is very, very important to them) The UPRR has trackage rights over them to reach the LASLC & then you have the UPRR sunset route hitting the diamond as well [:o)][:I] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:06 AM If you want I can post some pics of the diamond that I took last year after the installation of the new diamond. They will be pix off a TV screen as I did not have a D.camera last year. The thumbnail is not bad but when you blow it up I think it becomes somewhat distorted. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I've seen them on the cam quite regularly in fact much more often then the BNSF inspectors [:p][:D][:)] Originally posted by UPTRAIN I am watching a BNSF truck going down the rails right now! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,873 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:55 AM It's not uncommon to see crews working on the diamond almost daily. In addition to the bolts, I think they weld to build up worn surfaces. MC can elaborate. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:04 AM You know I wonder with all the heavy traffic (long, long coal trains) they do not replace the Rochelle diamonds more often just to be on the "safe" side. In Colton CA there is a duplicate of this diamond & 2 years ago they had the new diamond laid out with the direction it was to be installed. Last year when I returned the diamonds had been replaced & the type of traffic in Colton + the volume is less then Rochelle. [:o)][:D][:p][:)] Originally posted by tree68 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:40 PM The last time i know of Rochelle replacing the diamonds was back on Sept. 26, 2000. Shut the junction down for about 1 1/2 hours. After that it was a railfan heaven. i caught 40 trains in 4 1/2 hours. Reply Edit JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,286 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:50 PM Csx checks the diamond at deshler everyday.its still a reduced speed work zone.the diamond needs replaced.when csx will replace it time will tell. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:09 PM ...Just saw 2 men working on the diamonds at Rochelle...{They quit at 6:00 pm CDT}...and right after they got off the tracks a UP train came through towards the camera....About 20 minutes before a south bound BNSF train came through....Sun is blaring in the cam now..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:12 PM ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:24 PM i have dsl and it isnt working (the webcam) could it be norton???? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:25 PM to be more specific it says "sitecam live initializing or something like that " Reply Edit Mikeygaw Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Philadelphia, PA, USA 655 posts Posted by Mikeygaw on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:38 PM you got it right in your first post... Norton doesn't seem to like the camera. I usually would disable Norton while watching the camera, then restore it when finished Conrail Forever! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:43 PM could you explain how ???? thanks in advance Reply Edit mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Welders ringing up the overtime Modelcar! Most likely one of the frog inserts chipped out! (Dispatchers probably chased them off to run the trains) With the tonnage accross the diamonds at Rochelle, I would imagine that both railroads at minimum, patrol track 2-3 times a week plus when there is a weather related or or other crisis that requires a special inspection. I also imagine both railroad's track inspectors know the other guy's telephone number and radio call sign/ unit number . Plus, i would not be surprised if the railroad roadmaster who is responsible for maintenance on the crossing frogs is driving by daily or has somebody like a foreman or welder looking daily. Without rehashing old posts, please remember that: (1) each of those crossing frogs (16 here in 4 diamonds) is custom made from special plans peculiar to that crossing.. They are made in 1 of 5-6 places that are the only places in the country that make 'em. (IronKen used to do that) (2) the castings are explosive hardened in crossing frogs like Rochelle, made of the hardest cast manganese that you can find... (3) are still the most brittle things to be in the track structure (they get beat to death by all the tonnage, you don't want them in the track if you can avoid it (JoeKoh has seen them taken out due to infrequent use by one railroad) (4) they cost $200,000 - $350,000) a pop to totally renew (at Rochelle, multipy x 4) (5) from order to delivery takes 6-8 months or more. (6) they are a nightmare to maintain, welding broken inserts is an art and time consuming... (7)replace a crossing frog in 1 1/2 hours? [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D].....maybe an insert. Replacing one diamond/ crossing frog properly and entirely from the subgrade up is going to take 12-16 hours straight (Not a fun process) (8)At a place like Rochelle, they go through frog bolts faster than Sherman marched through the south. (and those rascals aren't cheap either) (9) to keep the crossing frogs in good shape, the roadmaster is obsessive about maintaining the ties, drainage, subgrade and foundation underneath. (Probably is asphalt under there somewhere) spbed - know the crossing frogs at Colton well. When SP was around, they were broke and could not maintain them as they should. Santa Fe was forever sending their welders over there. UP merger was the best thing that ever happened at Colton. [banghead][banghead][banghead] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:44 PM ....Looked to be two workers doing some work at the diamonds and I was wondering how that is done safely....with 4 tracks to watch for oncoming traffic...Is one fellow doing the watching {for traffic}...? Thinking if the wind is blowing a certain direction they may not hear the oncoming train, etc....or is there a radio on to alert them of oncoming traffic...? It simply looks dangerous. Crossing has lots of traffic. Quentin Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:50 PM I have occasionally seen the welders working at night with flood lights. I bet it's really hard to any kind of a MOW window on both roads. dd Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:32 AM MC - I was going to e-mail you about this, but decided to let everyone take a swipe at me. Would an overpass instead of diamonds be a solution? BNSF going to an overpass and UP staying on the ground? I know everything is horribly expensive, but this would be a one time expenditure. Now tell me where I have birdseed for brains...... Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:46 AM Yes everything you say is understandable. I have been watching the cam for several years & so far the diamonds have never been replaced. Whereas as I posted up in the thread at Colton CA there is another diamond that handles less volume & less tonnage (no coal trains) were replaced last year. You would think from a safety point of view instead of welding, tighting nuts etc, etc why not just replace them every couple of years? When you think of all the manpower we see manitaining them it would seem to be a far cheaper & safer solution. By the time I 1st hit Colton the UPRR had the SPRR in its grip for 7 years so I think there has to be some other reason why the Colton diamond was completely changed out & the Rochelle one has not. Also the Colton diamond handles ALL the BNSF traffic from So. California (so it is very, very important to them) The UPRR has trackage rights over them to reach the LASLC & then you have the UPRR sunset route hitting the diamond as well [:o)][:I] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:06 AM If you want I can post some pics of the diamond that I took last year after the installation of the new diamond. They will be pix off a TV screen as I did not have a D.camera last year. The thumbnail is not bad but when you blow it up I think it becomes somewhat distorted. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Originally posted by tree68 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:40 PM The last time i know of Rochelle replacing the diamonds was back on Sept. 26, 2000. Shut the junction down for about 1 1/2 hours. After that it was a railfan heaven. i caught 40 trains in 4 1/2 hours. Reply Edit JoeKoh Member sinceApril 2003 From: Defiance Ohio 13,286 posts Posted by JoeKoh on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:50 PM Csx checks the diamond at deshler everyday.its still a reduced speed work zone.the diamond needs replaced.when csx will replace it time will tell. stay safe Joe Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener"). Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:09 PM ...Just saw 2 men working on the diamonds at Rochelle...{They quit at 6:00 pm CDT}...and right after they got off the tracks a UP train came through towards the camera....About 20 minutes before a south bound BNSF train came through....Sun is blaring in the cam now..... Quentin Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:12 PM ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Quentin Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:24 PM i have dsl and it isnt working (the webcam) could it be norton???? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:25 PM to be more specific it says "sitecam live initializing or something like that " Reply Edit Mikeygaw Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Philadelphia, PA, USA 655 posts Posted by Mikeygaw on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:38 PM you got it right in your first post... Norton doesn't seem to like the camera. I usually would disable Norton while watching the camera, then restore it when finished Conrail Forever! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:43 PM could you explain how ???? thanks in advance Reply Edit mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, April 7, 2005 6:55 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT. Welders ringing up the overtime Modelcar! Most likely one of the frog inserts chipped out! (Dispatchers probably chased them off to run the trains) With the tonnage accross the diamonds at Rochelle, I would imagine that both railroads at minimum, patrol track 2-3 times a week plus when there is a weather related or or other crisis that requires a special inspection. I also imagine both railroad's track inspectors know the other guy's telephone number and radio call sign/ unit number . Plus, i would not be surprised if the railroad roadmaster who is responsible for maintenance on the crossing frogs is driving by daily or has somebody like a foreman or welder looking daily. Without rehashing old posts, please remember that: (1) each of those crossing frogs (16 here in 4 diamonds) is custom made from special plans peculiar to that crossing.. They are made in 1 of 5-6 places that are the only places in the country that make 'em. (IronKen used to do that) (2) the castings are explosive hardened in crossing frogs like Rochelle, made of the hardest cast manganese that you can find... (3) are still the most brittle things to be in the track structure (they get beat to death by all the tonnage, you don't want them in the track if you can avoid it (JoeKoh has seen them taken out due to infrequent use by one railroad) (4) they cost $200,000 - $350,000) a pop to totally renew (at Rochelle, multipy x 4) (5) from order to delivery takes 6-8 months or more. (6) they are a nightmare to maintain, welding broken inserts is an art and time consuming... (7)replace a crossing frog in 1 1/2 hours? [(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D][(-D].....maybe an insert. Replacing one diamond/ crossing frog properly and entirely from the subgrade up is going to take 12-16 hours straight (Not a fun process) (8)At a place like Rochelle, they go through frog bolts faster than Sherman marched through the south. (and those rascals aren't cheap either) (9) to keep the crossing frogs in good shape, the roadmaster is obsessive about maintaining the ties, drainage, subgrade and foundation underneath. (Probably is asphalt under there somewhere) spbed - know the crossing frogs at Colton well. When SP was around, they were broke and could not maintain them as they should. Santa Fe was forever sending their welders over there. UP merger was the best thing that ever happened at Colton. [banghead][banghead][banghead] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:44 PM ....Looked to be two workers doing some work at the diamonds and I was wondering how that is done safely....with 4 tracks to watch for oncoming traffic...Is one fellow doing the watching {for traffic}...? Thinking if the wind is blowing a certain direction they may not hear the oncoming train, etc....or is there a radio on to alert them of oncoming traffic...? It simply looks dangerous. Crossing has lots of traffic. Quentin Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:50 PM I have occasionally seen the welders working at night with flood lights. I bet it's really hard to any kind of a MOW window on both roads. dd Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:32 AM MC - I was going to e-mail you about this, but decided to let everyone take a swipe at me. Would an overpass instead of diamonds be a solution? BNSF going to an overpass and UP staying on the ground? I know everything is horribly expensive, but this would be a one time expenditure. Now tell me where I have birdseed for brains...... Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 6:46 AM Yes everything you say is understandable. I have been watching the cam for several years & so far the diamonds have never been replaced. Whereas as I posted up in the thread at Colton CA there is another diamond that handles less volume & less tonnage (no coal trains) were replaced last year. You would think from a safety point of view instead of welding, tighting nuts etc, etc why not just replace them every couple of years? When you think of all the manpower we see manitaining them it would seem to be a far cheaper & safer solution. By the time I 1st hit Colton the UPRR had the SPRR in its grip for 7 years so I think there has to be some other reason why the Colton diamond was completely changed out & the Rochelle one has not. Also the Colton diamond handles ALL the BNSF traffic from So. California (so it is very, very important to them) The UPRR has trackage rights over them to reach the LASLC & then you have the UPRR sunset route hitting the diamond as well [:o)][:I] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:06 AM If you want I can post some pics of the diamond that I took last year after the installation of the new diamond. They will be pix off a TV screen as I did not have a D.camera last year. The thumbnail is not bad but when you blow it up I think it becomes somewhat distorted. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....Nope, they did not quit....After the train went through they went back out and are working now.....6:12 pm CDT.
Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:06 AM If you want I can post some pics of the diamond that I took last year after the installation of the new diamond. They will be pix off a TV screen as I did not have a D.camera last year. The thumbnail is not bad but when you blow it up I think it becomes somewhat distorted. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:06 AM If you want I can post some pics of the diamond that I took last year after the installation of the new diamond. They will be pix off a TV screen as I did not have a D.camera last year. The thumbnail is not bad but when you blow it up I think it becomes somewhat distorted. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by mudchicken Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Modelcar [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:11 AM sp - how do you know the diamonds have not been replaced at Rochelle? Curious She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:50 AM From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Mookie [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed From watch the webcam every day for at least the last 2/3 years! [:o)][:)][:D] Originally posted by Mookie [ How can you tell at this distance exactly what they are doing? She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:27 AM You would need heavy equipment to change the diamonds similar to what they used to clear up the recent accident their. It would be very hard to miss it! Also while they were replacing the diamonds there would be no trains on either RR [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by Mookie Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:37 AM ....I would think diamond elimination would be high on a priority want list but the logistics of accomplishing that would be far reaching....What would they do with the traffic for weeks upon end...{and I'm assuming the railroad could do it in weeks as opposed to much, much longer as highway builders take}....No easy way to reroute traffic....and the major expense....and keeping an acceptable grade for the one that has to climb over the other, etc.....I expect all of the above won't happen anyway soon.... Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:53 AM Yes also I think zoning issues would come into play as there are homes on 2 sides of the track. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Modelcar Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:14 AM spbed - Ain't gonna happen at Colton unless UP goes up and over BNSF...you forget about those "itty bitty" bridges for I-10 that BNSF goes under immediately to the south. To get the desired separation between the railroad, one of those railroads is going to have to start changing grades in excess of 2+ miles back from the proposed flyover. (and you don't go down because of the historic high water table!)......How many other bridges , at $1+ Million a pop, are you going to replace in the raise of grade? And the adjoining subdivisions would be avoided by the use of reinforced earth retaining walls, not cheap either. Mookie- Flyovers ("sheep-jumps") do happen, most recently southeast of you in Kansas City (2 in fact) and they cost a bundle.... Sunburned Feathers Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 9:18 AM Sorry Mookie proposed that not me. Also she proposed it for Rochelle not Colton. [:)][:D][:o)][:p] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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