"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"
Originally posted by AntonioFP45 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:33 AM Antonio, At 50+mph there is not enough time to do a 'proper' 15L. The alternatives are to either do a whistle sequence that is not 'legal' for a crossing, or to hold the last "long" long enough to cover both crossings. The legal whistle warning for a grade crossing (15L)is prescribed to begin "not less than 1/4 mile from crossing, and sounded until crossing is occupied". There is no provision as to the exact length each individual whistle blast should be, not as to how far apart each successive blast must be. You may be correct about the trains being operated by the same engineer. Some railroads do have regular jobs that crewmen can bid on (awarded by seniority). Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 8:53 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed How about living farther away from the crossings so that the horns do not bother you? This thread is exactly the same as the one about the people who bought on the wrong side of the tracks in Richmond CA SPbed, Horns DON'T bother me at all. If that were the case then I wouldn't be preparing to install sound decoders in my HO scale locomotives! If you read my post "carefully" you'll see that I actually support locomotive engineers sounding their warning. My reference is to horns being blown with each blast lasting 10 to 15 seconds,giving the cry babies near the tracks a reason to complain. This is nothing like the other thread. My basic questions again, in a nutshell: Would engineers get in trouble for not doing long-long-short-long and instead blowing continuously? Two, could these be rookies that are being extra cautious because of Florida's reputation for idiots behind the wheel? Read my post carefully. This is not about the wrong side of the tracks. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:06 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Antonio, At 50+mph there is not enough time to do a 'proper' 15L. The alternatives are to either do a whistle sequence that is not 'legal' for a crossing, or to hold the last "long" long enough to cover both crossings. The legal whistle warning for a grade crossing (15L)is prescribed to begin "not less than 1/4 mile from crossing, and sounded until crossing is occupied". There is no provision as to the exact length each individual whistle blast should be, not as to how far apart each successive blast must be. You may be correct about the trains being operated by the same engineer. Some railroads do have regular jobs that crewmen can bid on (awarded by seniority). Thanks, Zardoz. Now I understand! At that speed, I can see how it would be difficult for an engineer to blow the standard whistle pattern for grade crossings that are spaced close together. I didn't know if there was a regulated "time length" for each horn blast. Hopefully more railroaders will chime in with info. This in turn is information I can share whenever I talk with residents that complain about the horns. [;)] I would love to see Operation LIfesaver return here as we defintly need it! These people need to hear the stats on grade crossing collisions. They seemed to have forgotten that there is no such thing as a "Tie" when driver's race trains. Thanks! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:20 AM I noticed the whistling pattern of Amtrak 51 as it went through small towns with very closely spaced crossings on a trip in late March: The engineer would start the standard long, long, short, long prior to the first crossing - continuing the last sound until that crossing was occupied. The the engineer would start another blast until the next crossing was occupied, etc. So at 30 mph, if the crossings are about 1/8th of a mile apart, each subsequent blast was about 10 seconds long. I know that we had at least 3 different operating crews during the trip and they each used the same pattern. dd Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:20 AM Sorry the way I read it it was complaining about the blowing of air horns at grade crossings. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:24 AM There are two grade corssings near where I live that are even closer together (maybe 150 yards) on the CP main. For this crossing, the engineers use the standard 15L for the first crossing, then another short--long series as they approach the second crossing. Occasionally I will hear an engineer just stay on the horn for the last 'long' long enought to cover both crossings, but that is rare. So the final sequence they use is _ _ o _ o _. Much more pleasing to the ear than one long blast. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:59 AM The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,873 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:04 AM One crossing near me is in a low-speed section of track - I have the info, but not with me. Something in the 15-20 mph range. At any rate, starting the 15L a quarter mile from the crossing is virtually useless. The gates haven't even started down yet. They usually end up doing a random series of blasts, holding the last as they cross the road. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bhamj The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy No problem, SPBed[;)][tup] Jimmy, you bring up a very valid point! The number of cars that I see with "BOOMING" stereo systems seems incredible! A lot of young people, all races, wealthy and middle income, all 3 genders. Many don't bother rolling the window down as they blast the AC in this heat, but you can still feel the vibrations as they cruise by. If it weren't for the flashing lights, I doubt most would know that a 50+mph freight was coming. Yet, I'm sure if one of these "rolliing boom boxes" gets hit, mommy and daddy cry out: "CSX's got to pay!" Without considering that the crew on that locomotive is already paying in anguish from the moment of impact. Top it off, if a collision occurs in a "Quiet Zone", people still want to go to court! Where does it stop? If anything, railroads and crews, IMHO, should be sueing the violaters. (Don't they do this in a South American country?) 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:34 PM blah blah at 50 mph or more in towns especially most of us just blow like crazy because of all the kids and morons around the tracks and people running around the gates . The type of horn does make a difference most of the new csx GE's have a foot pedal that can be activated to keep the engineers hands free in a town setting(lots of crossings buy each other) I dare a city to try and prosecute a train crew for sounding the horn to much when in court accident victims say the horn was not sounded enough Bottom line? Oxford ohio filled a report with the fra and ntsb saying that we didn't blow the horn enough so guess what we do now wake the dead Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:15 PM Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. they may win the battle - but the public will lose the war. On March 26th I was on a train that ran over 2 people walking dogs on the track. Whistles were blowing but they are still dead. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:26 PM In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... So does the UPRR. My God do they wail on the airhorn. Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:50 PM I just wi***hat they blow more than is necessary, not to wake up the dead or anger the public who chose houses next door to the track(s), but to prove that something that may harm you is coming. "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:55 PM BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. BNSF, What are your information sources? "forever"? With all due respect, your statement "The public will win this battle" is sort of a paradoxal statement. You speak as if the railroads and their crews are the bad guys. The same railroads that ship many of the items in our homes and cars in our garages. The purpose of locomotive horns IS to keep the public safe! What "Bills" are you referring to? If you mean the bill proposals that will require busy grade crossings to be equipped with whistles, yes, that's coming. Will also apply to "Quiet Zones". But, locomotive horns won't be eliminated by any means. From what I've read, the public will have to share in the costs of equipping these crossings, and it's not cheap! Many community residents will jump for joy at proposals like these...........until they're told that they'll have to pay for them. The usual response: "Don't we pay enough taxes already?! This is outrageous!" Think about it, how many grade crossings are there in the U.S? I don't know, but I'm guessing that the number is either six or seven digits long! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:39 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? Well Hello to you, Neighbor![:D][8D] I'm actually in Seffner/Mango near Hwy 574, which runs right next to the former ACL line. The line that goes to Orlando and Jacksonville. We get Amtrak and the hot intermodals. Eastbound, the CSX intermodals pick up speed as they leave my area and run about 60 mph until they slow down for Plant City. I don't know which line gets more traffic as I've seen a lot of trains on both lines. Phosphate and mixed traffic near your line. Intermodals, passenger, and TTX car carriers near mine. Interesting thing is that the tracks on the S-line look like they're in great shape. The A-line rails are starting to look a little beaten up. Take Care![:D] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:07 AM Antonio I understand where your coming from but there is a major problem in this country,and that problem is........"We don't care about nothing anymore". Drivers attude isn't gona solve the problem over night and in fact it's gona get worse,much worse. inabel to solve the problem we need policeing. New state laws are in works to stop the noise of train horns just in Des Moines,Iowa. The people in iowa have been complaining alot because train crews constatntly blow their horns all the time but no ....... The amount of complaints toward horn blowing is GREATLY growing and there will be law suits. This is gona be a fight that won't go away any time soon. Of course the UP said that stoping blowing of train horns is a big mistake yes but we live in real times if the public want's quiet zones they will get what they want wheather we like it or not. The public is very happy right about now when it comes to train horns. I just don't no right about now. Reply Edit zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:23 AM I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:55 AM I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? They use these in Kearney, Nebraska. The engineer sees a blinking red X at the crossing telling him/her that he/she does not need to blow the horn. The horn is definitely more controlled and is successful at keeping the peace with residents living near the tracks. Kearney is on the 3-track UP line between Gibbon and North Platte, so trains are traveling through town every 10 minutes...it seems. I think UP agreed to do this when Kearney agreed to build two additional overpasses totally four and closing a large number of crossings. It's a win-win situation for the city and the railroad...from my perspective. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:43 AM Wow thank U for that info. I will be in Kearney on May 09 at least & will surely check that out. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by kwyoung Originally posted by zardoz Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] And you are 100% correct too! Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed How about living farther away from the crossings so that the horns do not bother you? This thread is exactly the same as the one about the people who bought on the wrong side of the tracks in Richmond CA
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz Antonio, At 50+mph there is not enough time to do a 'proper' 15L. The alternatives are to either do a whistle sequence that is not 'legal' for a crossing, or to hold the last "long" long enough to cover both crossings. The legal whistle warning for a grade crossing (15L)is prescribed to begin "not less than 1/4 mile from crossing, and sounded until crossing is occupied". There is no provision as to the exact length each individual whistle blast should be, not as to how far apart each successive blast must be. You may be correct about the trains being operated by the same engineer. Some railroads do have regular jobs that crewmen can bid on (awarded by seniority).
Originally posted by AntonioFP45 Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:24 AM There are two grade corssings near where I live that are even closer together (maybe 150 yards) on the CP main. For this crossing, the engineers use the standard 15L for the first crossing, then another short--long series as they approach the second crossing. Occasionally I will hear an engineer just stay on the horn for the last 'long' long enought to cover both crossings, but that is rare. So the final sequence they use is _ _ o _ o _. Much more pleasing to the ear than one long blast. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:59 AM The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,873 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:04 AM One crossing near me is in a low-speed section of track - I have the info, but not with me. Something in the 15-20 mph range. At any rate, starting the 15L a quarter mile from the crossing is virtually useless. The gates haven't even started down yet. They usually end up doing a random series of blasts, holding the last as they cross the road. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bhamj The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy No problem, SPBed[;)][tup] Jimmy, you bring up a very valid point! The number of cars that I see with "BOOMING" stereo systems seems incredible! A lot of young people, all races, wealthy and middle income, all 3 genders. Many don't bother rolling the window down as they blast the AC in this heat, but you can still feel the vibrations as they cruise by. If it weren't for the flashing lights, I doubt most would know that a 50+mph freight was coming. Yet, I'm sure if one of these "rolliing boom boxes" gets hit, mommy and daddy cry out: "CSX's got to pay!" Without considering that the crew on that locomotive is already paying in anguish from the moment of impact. Top it off, if a collision occurs in a "Quiet Zone", people still want to go to court! Where does it stop? If anything, railroads and crews, IMHO, should be sueing the violaters. (Don't they do this in a South American country?) 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:34 PM blah blah at 50 mph or more in towns especially most of us just blow like crazy because of all the kids and morons around the tracks and people running around the gates . The type of horn does make a difference most of the new csx GE's have a foot pedal that can be activated to keep the engineers hands free in a town setting(lots of crossings buy each other) I dare a city to try and prosecute a train crew for sounding the horn to much when in court accident victims say the horn was not sounded enough Bottom line? Oxford ohio filled a report with the fra and ntsb saying that we didn't blow the horn enough so guess what we do now wake the dead Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:15 PM Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. they may win the battle - but the public will lose the war. On March 26th I was on a train that ran over 2 people walking dogs on the track. Whistles were blowing but they are still dead. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:26 PM In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... So does the UPRR. My God do they wail on the airhorn. Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:50 PM I just wi***hat they blow more than is necessary, not to wake up the dead or anger the public who chose houses next door to the track(s), but to prove that something that may harm you is coming. "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:55 PM BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. BNSF, What are your information sources? "forever"? With all due respect, your statement "The public will win this battle" is sort of a paradoxal statement. You speak as if the railroads and their crews are the bad guys. The same railroads that ship many of the items in our homes and cars in our garages. The purpose of locomotive horns IS to keep the public safe! What "Bills" are you referring to? If you mean the bill proposals that will require busy grade crossings to be equipped with whistles, yes, that's coming. Will also apply to "Quiet Zones". But, locomotive horns won't be eliminated by any means. From what I've read, the public will have to share in the costs of equipping these crossings, and it's not cheap! Many community residents will jump for joy at proposals like these...........until they're told that they'll have to pay for them. The usual response: "Don't we pay enough taxes already?! This is outrageous!" Think about it, how many grade crossings are there in the U.S? I don't know, but I'm guessing that the number is either six or seven digits long! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:39 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? Well Hello to you, Neighbor![:D][8D] I'm actually in Seffner/Mango near Hwy 574, which runs right next to the former ACL line. The line that goes to Orlando and Jacksonville. We get Amtrak and the hot intermodals. Eastbound, the CSX intermodals pick up speed as they leave my area and run about 60 mph until they slow down for Plant City. I don't know which line gets more traffic as I've seen a lot of trains on both lines. Phosphate and mixed traffic near your line. Intermodals, passenger, and TTX car carriers near mine. Interesting thing is that the tracks on the S-line look like they're in great shape. The A-line rails are starting to look a little beaten up. Take Care![:D] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:07 AM Antonio I understand where your coming from but there is a major problem in this country,and that problem is........"We don't care about nothing anymore". Drivers attude isn't gona solve the problem over night and in fact it's gona get worse,much worse. inabel to solve the problem we need policeing. New state laws are in works to stop the noise of train horns just in Des Moines,Iowa. The people in iowa have been complaining alot because train crews constatntly blow their horns all the time but no ....... The amount of complaints toward horn blowing is GREATLY growing and there will be law suits. This is gona be a fight that won't go away any time soon. Of course the UP said that stoping blowing of train horns is a big mistake yes but we live in real times if the public want's quiet zones they will get what they want wheather we like it or not. The public is very happy right about now when it comes to train horns. I just don't no right about now. Reply Edit zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:23 AM I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:55 AM I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? They use these in Kearney, Nebraska. The engineer sees a blinking red X at the crossing telling him/her that he/she does not need to blow the horn. The horn is definitely more controlled and is successful at keeping the peace with residents living near the tracks. Kearney is on the 3-track UP line between Gibbon and North Platte, so trains are traveling through town every 10 minutes...it seems. I think UP agreed to do this when Kearney agreed to build two additional overpasses totally four and closing a large number of crossings. It's a win-win situation for the city and the railroad...from my perspective. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:43 AM Wow thank U for that info. I will be in Kearney on May 09 at least & will surely check that out. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by kwyoung Originally posted by zardoz Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] And you are 100% correct too! Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:24 AM There are two grade corssings near where I live that are even closer together (maybe 150 yards) on the CP main. For this crossing, the engineers use the standard 15L for the first crossing, then another short--long series as they approach the second crossing. Occasionally I will hear an engineer just stay on the horn for the last 'long' long enought to cover both crossings, but that is rare. So the final sequence they use is _ _ o _ o _. Much more pleasing to the ear than one long blast. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 10:59 AM The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,873 posts Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 11:04 AM One crossing near me is in a low-speed section of track - I have the info, but not with me. Something in the 15-20 mph range. At any rate, starting the 15L a quarter mile from the crossing is virtually useless. The gates haven't even started down yet. They usually end up doing a random series of blasts, holding the last as they cross the road. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:07 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by bhamj The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy No problem, SPBed[;)][tup] Jimmy, you bring up a very valid point! The number of cars that I see with "BOOMING" stereo systems seems incredible! A lot of young people, all races, wealthy and middle income, all 3 genders. Many don't bother rolling the window down as they blast the AC in this heat, but you can still feel the vibrations as they cruise by. If it weren't for the flashing lights, I doubt most would know that a 50+mph freight was coming. Yet, I'm sure if one of these "rolliing boom boxes" gets hit, mommy and daddy cry out: "CSX's got to pay!" Without considering that the crew on that locomotive is already paying in anguish from the moment of impact. Top it off, if a collision occurs in a "Quiet Zone", people still want to go to court! Where does it stop? If anything, railroads and crews, IMHO, should be sueing the violaters. (Don't they do this in a South American country?) 10-4! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 2:34 PM blah blah at 50 mph or more in towns especially most of us just blow like crazy because of all the kids and morons around the tracks and people running around the gates . The type of horn does make a difference most of the new csx GE's have a foot pedal that can be activated to keep the engineers hands free in a town setting(lots of crossings buy each other) I dare a city to try and prosecute a train crew for sounding the horn to much when in court accident victims say the horn was not sounded enough Bottom line? Oxford ohio filled a report with the fra and ntsb saying that we didn't blow the horn enough so guess what we do now wake the dead Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:15 PM Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit dldance Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Near Promentory UT 1,590 posts Posted by dldance on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:19 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. they may win the battle - but the public will lose the war. On March 26th I was on a train that ran over 2 people walking dogs on the track. Whistles were blowing but they are still dead. dd Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 3:26 PM In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:09 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings... So does the UPRR. My God do they wail on the airhorn. Reply Edit Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:50 PM I just wi***hat they blow more than is necessary, not to wake up the dead or anger the public who chose houses next door to the track(s), but to prove that something that may harm you is coming. "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply Sterling1 Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Traveling in Middle Earth 795 posts Posted by Sterling1 on Thursday, April 7, 2005 4:55 PM BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? "There is nothing in life that compares with running a locomotive at 80-plus mph with the windows open, the traction motors screaming, the air horns fighting the rush of incoming air to make any sound at all, automobiles on adjacent highways trying and failing to catch up with you, and the unmistakable presence of raw power. You ride with fear in the pit of your stomach knowing you do not really have control of this beast." - D.C. Battle [Trains 10/2002 issue, p74.] Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:28 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan. BNSF, What are your information sources? "forever"? With all due respect, your statement "The public will win this battle" is sort of a paradoxal statement. You speak as if the railroads and their crews are the bad guys. The same railroads that ship many of the items in our homes and cars in our garages. The purpose of locomotive horns IS to keep the public safe! What "Bills" are you referring to? If you mean the bill proposals that will require busy grade crossings to be equipped with whistles, yes, that's coming. Will also apply to "Quiet Zones". But, locomotive horns won't be eliminated by any means. From what I've read, the public will have to share in the costs of equipping these crossings, and it's not cheap! Many community residents will jump for joy at proposals like these...........until they're told that they'll have to pay for them. The usual response: "Don't we pay enough taxes already?! This is outrageous!" Think about it, how many grade crossings are there in the U.S? I don't know, but I'm guessing that the number is either six or seven digits long! "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 7:39 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line? Well Hello to you, Neighbor![:D][8D] I'm actually in Seffner/Mango near Hwy 574, which runs right next to the former ACL line. The line that goes to Orlando and Jacksonville. We get Amtrak and the hot intermodals. Eastbound, the CSX intermodals pick up speed as they leave my area and run about 60 mph until they slow down for Plant City. I don't know which line gets more traffic as I've seen a lot of trains on both lines. Phosphate and mixed traffic near your line. Intermodals, passenger, and TTX car carriers near mine. Interesting thing is that the tracks on the S-line look like they're in great shape. The A-line rails are starting to look a little beaten up. Take Care![:D] "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:07 AM Antonio I understand where your coming from but there is a major problem in this country,and that problem is........"We don't care about nothing anymore". Drivers attude isn't gona solve the problem over night and in fact it's gona get worse,much worse. inabel to solve the problem we need policeing. New state laws are in works to stop the noise of train horns just in Des Moines,Iowa. The people in iowa have been complaining alot because train crews constatntly blow their horns all the time but no ....... The amount of complaints toward horn blowing is GREATLY growing and there will be law suits. This is gona be a fight that won't go away any time soon. Of course the UP said that stoping blowing of train horns is a big mistake yes but we live in real times if the public want's quiet zones they will get what they want wheather we like it or not. The public is very happy right about now when it comes to train horns. I just don't no right about now. Reply Edit zardoz Member sinceJanuary 2003 From: Kenosha, WI 6,567 posts Posted by zardoz on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:23 AM I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? Reply AntonioFP45 Member sinceDecember 2003 From: Good ol' USA 9,633 posts Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, April 8, 2005 8:55 AM I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. "I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!" Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:33 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that? They use these in Kearney, Nebraska. The engineer sees a blinking red X at the crossing telling him/her that he/she does not need to blow the horn. The horn is definitely more controlled and is successful at keeping the peace with residents living near the tracks. Kearney is on the 3-track UP line between Gibbon and North Platte, so trains are traveling through town every 10 minutes...it seems. I think UP agreed to do this when Kearney agreed to build two additional overpasses totally four and closing a large number of crossings. It's a win-win situation for the city and the railroad...from my perspective. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:43 AM Wow thank U for that info. I will be in Kearney on May 09 at least & will surely check that out. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by kwyoung Originally posted by zardoz Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] And you are 100% correct too! Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
QUOTE: Originally posted by bhamj The railroad was there first! Nobody forced them to buy close to the tracks. Heaven forbid that one of these these self centered folks gets hit at the very crossing they got the horns silenced at. They would then file a lawsuit because they didn't hear the train over the backround music their radio provided for their cell conversation! Jimmy
QUOTE: Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Some day there will no longer be Train horns. There are new bills that will ban Train horns forever. The Public will win this battle. BNSFrailfan.
QUOTE: Originally posted by skeets In my part of CSX-dom, the bosses are writing us up for anything and everything. I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear that some hoghead down there was written up for an inadequate crossing blow. As a result, they all will rattle your fillings...
QUOTE: Originally posted by Sterling1 BTW Antonio FP45 where in Tampa? I 'm up the road from you on the S line I believe. 5 or so miles from the CSX line that runs thru Kissimmee and Orlando. Also BTW does A Line get more traffic or S Line?
QUOTE: Originally posted by zardoz I seem to remember reading about some experimental crossing protection that had the horns mounted directly to the crossing protection. That way the horns were not sounded 1/4+ miles from the crossing, but instead only at the crossing. By having the horns independent of the train's whistle made it such that the volume and direction of the noise could be better controlled. Anybody know of any follow-up to that?
Originally posted by kwyoung Originally posted by zardoz Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] And you are 100% correct too! Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by zardoz Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,786 posts Posted by mudchicken on Friday, April 8, 2005 11:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 8, 2005 2:59 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)] And you are 100% correct too! Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets.
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken QUOTE: Originally posted by AntonioFP45 I mentinoned this earlier. I saw the proposal a year or so back on while I was web surfing. It was either a Brotherhood of Locomotive engineers info bulletin or UTU. Was pretty informative. Sounds like a workable idea, but while this may solve some of the noise complaints, I still feel that wackos are going to play chicken with trains, regardless of warning devices. Put some high dollar fines on violaters. I'm sure you'd see a change! All there needs to be is a direct impact on our wallets. Fine won't stop them. Reporting to the insurance company won't stop them. Take away their driver's license (won't stop them either, but will inconvenience them some)[}:)]
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