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IMPORTANT MESSAGE!!!!!!!!
Posted by locomutt on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:40 PM


Recieved a message today,wanting me to subscribe to "Model Railroader"
This came from a so called company from White City, Oregon.
They are notorious about bogus subscriptions.
Please do not use this "Company"
If you want to subscribe to any Kalmbach magizines,Please call,
or write Kalmbach Co.and do it that way.
Kalmbach has been notifed.

Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:50 AM
Thanks for the heads up![:D][8D]

Originally posted by locomutt

Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR  Austin TX Sub

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Posted by JoeKoh on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 4:16 PM
wow
good job being the watchdog!!!! thanks
stay safe
Joe

Deshler Ohio-crossroads of the B&O Matt eats your fries.YUM! Clinton st viaduct undefeated against too tall trucks!!!(voted to be called the "Clinton St. can opener").

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:18 PM
Thanks for the warning!! My sub expired and I haven't renewed yet??? I have been getting tons of stuff in the mail.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:27 PM
Thanks. I get my Model Railroader from Nofrills! BNSFrailfan.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 7:47 PM
IMPORTANT RESPONSE!!!!----From a guy that works in the charge business. Under absolutly NO CONDITION should you give up a credit card number of any kind, shape or fashion to these persons. They are often called the wolves, sharks, barracudas, mad dogs and wild animals of American Commerce. Locomutt is right on the money of what you need to do. If you mistakenly do give up your number, report it immediatly to your credit card company. They have departments that deal with these people. Keep the faith folks and remember our friend Mark who goes in harms way every day, May he come home safely.
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Posted by Junctionfan on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:28 PM
Have the police been notified of this?
Andrew
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Posted by louisnash on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:13 PM
Hey Walt,
Was that email or regular mail?
I got a paper in the regular mail yesterday that did not have Kalmbach on it wanting me to pay an outrageus price for it.

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Posted by locomutt on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Have the police been notified of this?


Not sure the Police need to be notified.
I believe Kalmbach would be the ones
to prosecute that "company."

Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by locomutt on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by louisnash

Hey Walt,
Was that email or regular mail?
I got a paper in the regular mail yesterday that did not have Kalmbach on it wanting me to pay an outrageus price for it.

Brian (KY)


Brian, it came by regular mail. I also thought it was too expensive.
If anything, PLEASE do not do business with this particular
company. I myself have tried to get hold of this company in the
past several years, and all I ever got was a BIG RUN AROUND.
I will NOT do business with that company, and if I have ruffled
anybody's feathers, I apologize. I just don't want to see anyone
get taken by this company.






Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:40 PM
If it came through the US Mail and it is using the mail service to conduct illegal business, then it is a reportable offense to the Mail Service.

FROM THE USPS.gov Website...
"If evidence of a postal-related violation exists, Postal Inspectors may seek prosecutive or administrative action against a violator; however, if money is lost to a fraudulent scheme conducted through the mail, Inspectors do not have the authority to ensure you are refunded your loss and cannot require that products, services or advertisements, on the Internet or elsewhere, be altered.

Postal Inspectors base their investigations of mail fraud on the number, pattern and substance of complaints received from the public. The Postal Inspection Service is interested in your concerns and will carefully review the information you provide.

If you feel you've been victimized in a mail fraud scheme that in any way involves the U.S. Mail, submit a Mail Fraud Complaint Form to the U.S. Postal Inspection Service."

In other words, any of us who receive such transactions in the mail, should report it. Kalmbach should also be informed.

Thanks for the notification.



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Posted by Puckdropper on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 12:00 AM
If anyone wants a legitimate Model Railroader subscription card, I'll give you one of mine. They stuff at least 4 in every Model Railroader and two more for related publications!
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Posted by zardoz on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:45 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt



Recieved a message today,wanting me to subscribe to "Model Railroader"
This came from a so called company from White City, Oregon.
They are notorious about bogus subscriptions.
Please do not use this "Company"
If you want to subscribe to any Kalmbach magizines,Please call,
or write Kalmbach Co.and do it that way.
Kalmbach has been notifed.

I received a "notification" from the same outfit regarding my Trains subscription. I wonder where they got the list of subscribers?!?
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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 7:54 AM
Don't know if Kalmbach sells their lists, and if they do, I have no doubt that they would do so with a certain level of care. However, these rascals would gladly pose as legitimate businessmen long enough to acquire something like that. And there are lists floating around out there from who knows where as well. Ever order a RR keepsake from one of those "special issue" places? I get fire related stuff from them on a regular basis...

Paying too much for a magazine subscription is mainly a case of buyer beware - no fraud there. It's been suggested your credit card number may find its way into unscrupulous hands, though, and that would constitute a crime.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 2:00 PM
The Circulation Department at Kalmbach Publishing Co. is well aware of this company. What they and a handful of other companies around the country are doing is illegal. This problem has also plagued other publishing companies for years, including much larger publishers such as Time, Inc. Despite our best continuing efforts, we and other publishers have been unable to stop the problem.

If you receive a renewal notice from anyone other than Trains magazine or Kalmbach, do not respond. The return address on all Kalmbach renewal notices is Milwaukee, Wisconsin (they are processed for us by the bank we deal with directly). You can contact our Customer Service department at 1-800-533-6644 if you have any concerns or questions. Or e-mail them directly at customerservice@trains.com.

Lori Prahl
Circulation Specialist
Kalmbach Publishing Co.
21027 Crossroads Circle
Waukesha, WI 53187-1612

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