Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by passengerfan [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:12 AM Amtrak really didn't need that. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:18 AM MSNBC says the train was inbound to Portland. It also said most passengers that were injured have now been released from the hospital. MSNBC says there are now only a "few" passengers still hospitalized. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:29 AM Where in the george did it happen ? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:30 AM MSNBC did not give the actually location. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:42 AM I checked the other boards. The only place I see anything is trainorders but I'm not a subscriber so I can't read the article.[B)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:04 AM Here is the CNN link http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/03/amtrak.derails.ap/index.html Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply conrailman Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NS Main Line at MP12 Blairsville,Pa 830 posts Posted by conrailman on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:10 AM Go to Trainorders.com an on the Western Board to about amtrak wreck go down to Local media outlets an click on ABC T.V. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:11 AM The newspaper says it is 50 miles east of Vancouver WA http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1112608809175342.xml Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:20 AM White Salmon. Now I'm really curious. I lived 20 miles from there (99'-03'). It says the cars were against an embankment. Theres only a few streches where the tracks are against an embankment. Leaving White Salmon to the west, and 4 miles west where the windsurfers launch. The rest of that area the tracks are between HWY14 and the river. It must be the later because White Salmon is a stop and speed would be slow. 4 miles out they are doing 60 MPH. Keep us posted. I don't have a tv here. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:23 AM When you say windsurfers it must be across from Hood River? [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by jchnhtfd Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:29 AM Where in the george did it happen ? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:30 AM MSNBC did not give the actually location. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:42 AM I checked the other boards. The only place I see anything is trainorders but I'm not a subscriber so I can't read the article.[B)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:04 AM Here is the CNN link http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/03/amtrak.derails.ap/index.html Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply conrailman Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NS Main Line at MP12 Blairsville,Pa 830 posts Posted by conrailman on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:10 AM Go to Trainorders.com an on the Western Board to about amtrak wreck go down to Local media outlets an click on ABC T.V. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:11 AM The newspaper says it is 50 miles east of Vancouver WA http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1112608809175342.xml Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:20 AM White Salmon. Now I'm really curious. I lived 20 miles from there (99'-03'). It says the cars were against an embankment. Theres only a few streches where the tracks are against an embankment. Leaving White Salmon to the west, and 4 miles west where the windsurfers launch. The rest of that area the tracks are between HWY14 and the river. It must be the later because White Salmon is a stop and speed would be slow. 4 miles out they are doing 60 MPH. Keep us posted. I don't have a tv here. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:23 AM When you say windsurfers it must be across from Hood River? [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:42 AM I checked the other boards. The only place I see anything is trainorders but I'm not a subscriber so I can't read the article.[B)] Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:04 AM Here is the CNN link http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/04/03/amtrak.derails.ap/index.html Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply conrailman Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NS Main Line at MP12 Blairsville,Pa 830 posts Posted by conrailman on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:10 AM Go to Trainorders.com an on the Western Board to about amtrak wreck go down to Local media outlets an click on ABC T.V. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:11 AM The newspaper says it is 50 miles east of Vancouver WA http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1112608809175342.xml Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:20 AM White Salmon. Now I'm really curious. I lived 20 miles from there (99'-03'). It says the cars were against an embankment. Theres only a few streches where the tracks are against an embankment. Leaving White Salmon to the west, and 4 miles west where the windsurfers launch. The rest of that area the tracks are between HWY14 and the river. It must be the later because White Salmon is a stop and speed would be slow. 4 miles out they are doing 60 MPH. Keep us posted. I don't have a tv here. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:23 AM When you say windsurfers it must be across from Hood River? [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply conrailman Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NS Main Line at MP12 Blairsville,Pa 830 posts Posted by conrailman on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:10 AM Go to Trainorders.com an on the Western Board to about amtrak wreck go down to Local media outlets an click on ABC T.V. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:11 AM The newspaper says it is 50 miles east of Vancouver WA http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1112608809175342.xml Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:20 AM White Salmon. Now I'm really curious. I lived 20 miles from there (99'-03'). It says the cars were against an embankment. Theres only a few streches where the tracks are against an embankment. Leaving White Salmon to the west, and 4 miles west where the windsurfers launch. The rest of that area the tracks are between HWY14 and the river. It must be the later because White Salmon is a stop and speed would be slow. 4 miles out they are doing 60 MPH. Keep us posted. I don't have a tv here. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:23 AM When you say windsurfers it must be across from Hood River? [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:20 AM White Salmon. Now I'm really curious. I lived 20 miles from there (99'-03'). It says the cars were against an embankment. Theres only a few streches where the tracks are against an embankment. Leaving White Salmon to the west, and 4 miles west where the windsurfers launch. The rest of that area the tracks are between HWY14 and the river. It must be the later because White Salmon is a stop and speed would be slow. 4 miles out they are doing 60 MPH. Keep us posted. I don't have a tv here. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:23 AM When you say windsurfers it must be across from Hood River? [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:33 AM Exactly. White Salmon is at the other side of the Hood river bridge. Though the town of Hood River is west of the bridge and White Salmon is east of the bridge, they are basicaly across from eachother. The tracks under the bridge is the first area I mentioned where they are against a embankment. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:44 AM OK thanks. I never ventured to the WA side of the river. But I did stay overnite in Hood River & looked out across the river. My motel was maybe 1,000 FT east of the bridge right on the river. The windsurfers also stood at that motel[:o)][:D] Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:54 AM I know the hotel your talking about. I used to gas up my truck right next to it one or two times a week. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:02 AM Yes It was a Best Western. I paced several UPRR trains from Hood River to the next town east of H/river. There is a super overlook there & you can get shots of the UPRR, the river, The windsurfers & the BNSF on the other side all in 1 shot. [:p][:)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:11 AM Did you check out the Hood River Railroad ? Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:14 AM Fount a link w/ pix. http://www.koin.com/news.asp?ID=1945 Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:24 AM Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:29 AM I found video, 5 minuets worth. It wasn't White Salmon. It was in my old FRONT YARD. It's in a little town of Home Valley, about 4 miles east of Stevenson. I have pictures of other trains in this exact same spot. It's only 400 yards from the cable tv head-end site I use to run. what a trip. heres the link http://www.katu.com/stories/76204.html Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:48 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Yes we took the ride. On a scale of 1-10 it got a zero. It reinforced my beliefs NEVER ride toursit RRs. [:(][:(] Originally posted by chad thomas I have ridden the Hood River line twice.It is quite scenic,especially on the north end.The line has a switchback which is very interesting to travel over.I give the ride between 7.5 and 8.They own two GP9s,an ex SP factory built low nose unit from SPs last order for GP9s,and a chop nose EX UP engine. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:01 PM Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:53 AM Sorry we have a difference of a opinion on the Mt. Hood RR ride. [;)][;)] Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas
Originally posted by espeefoamer Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 6:57 AM Thank U 4 that detailed report. It was terrific![:p][:)] QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply daveklepper Member sinceJune 2002 20,022 posts Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 8:54 AM How on earth could a resonsible track inspector request that a piece of track be reinspected without also asking for a slow order? Espeically with noticable signs of wear? Can such a person be a responsible railroader? We all make mistakes, but a track inspector is literally responsible for people's lives, as is indeed every responsible railroader, including engineers, dispatchers, you name it. Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 1:04 PM New information "leaked" by NTSB and printed in newspaper today. Sounds better than what I had been told, but my source was unable to speak freely - ears nearby. Also, we can see what happens to information when gets passed from one to another even without any intent to alter. http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/front_page/1112695353167100.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 8:32 AM From the time of the inspector reupping the speed limit to 60MPH is there a estimate of how many trains passed the derailment spot safely? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo Solid rock cut at MP 58. Unit (P42 Genisis 163) went on the ground when the outside rail "moved", followed the roadbed around the curve. Head two cars on the ties. Rear two cars went into the vertical rock cut and layed over to the right at (about) 45 degrees. Damage appears repairable but probably not enough money to do the job, so I would expect they will be cut up. Train has been rerailed and is now on the siding at Stevenson. This curve has had a slow order on it for some time and it was recently lifted. The four trains that passed through ahead of #27-3 reported "rough track" and the local track inspector was called out and OK'ed the track but asked for a full scale inspection for Monday (today). He reportedly requested no new slow order. This location has a superelevated curve with a 60 MPH speed authorized for Passenger trains and the hardware attaching the high-side rail to the concrete ties was said to be wearing badly and much faster than it should have been. I really don't know much more than that about the derailment. I will not be suprised if the NTSB finds that as the fault or largely contributing fault. Hope that track inspector has his job insurance paid up - and his insurance company will hope he has let it lapse. He will be collecting for a very long time. The trains are back running, again, but tonights #28 has been cancelled given that its equipment is badordered at Stevenson. #8 will be a bit short out of Spokane tonight.
Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Wednesday, April 6, 2005 9:53 PM Another "UPDATE" link. I seem to remember hearing this same litteny about other BN [oops] http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/111278185614270.xml Eric Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, April 7, 2005 7:04 AM From the time the inspector OKed the 60MPH speed till the derailment would anyone know how many trains in both directions past the derailment spot before the derailment occur? [:o)][:p] Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by kenneo Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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