QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1 I live down here in south Texas along what use to be the Southern Pacific line. Anyway, there's a creek called Clear Creek that has an old steel bridge that goes over it about fifty feet above the water. All my life I've been told that back around the turn of the century (1900) that a freight train derailed on that bridge one stormy night and several cars fell off and into the water where there was quick sand, and that at least a couple of them sank out of sight in minutes taking their cargo down with them. I don't know how true the story is, but I do know for a fact that there is quick sand down there. Anyone else got a story something like this ?.
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by trainluver1 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Sunday, April 3, 2005 2:29 PM ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:00 AM Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:02 AM There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. [:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:06 AM And there are a number of pre 1850 U.S. built engines at the bottom of Lake Erie which were dumped overboard during winter storms on the lake - given that the lake is fresh water and cold anyone for a salvage op? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:10 AM I'll pass on that task thanks. You know the NYSW bought a steam engine from China & the ship sunk so they had to buy another one after they got the insurance $$$$ from the 1st 1? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by mersenne6 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken The one in Donner pass was the City of San Francisco; no damage, just a long (VERY long!) delay... sometime in the 50s; 1952 sticks in the mind, for some reason. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:21 AM Yes History Channel had a program on it. Yes, I also know that everyone survived in that incident. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:02 AM There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. [:(] Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:06 AM And there are a number of pre 1850 U.S. built engines at the bottom of Lake Erie which were dumped overboard during winter storms on the lake - given that the lake is fresh water and cold anyone for a salvage op? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:10 AM I'll pass on that task thanks. You know the NYSW bought a steam engine from China & the ship sunk so they had to buy another one after they got the insurance $$$$ from the 1st 1? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by mersenne6 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken The one in Donner pass was the City of San Francisco; no damage, just a long (VERY long!) delay... sometime in the 50s; 1952 sticks in the mind, for some reason. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:21 AM Yes History Channel had a program on it. Yes, I also know that everyone survived in that incident. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by trainluver1 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mersenne6 Member sinceMarch 2004 913 posts Posted by mersenne6 on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:06 AM And there are a number of pre 1850 U.S. built engines at the bottom of Lake Erie which were dumped overboard during winter storms on the lake - given that the lake is fresh water and cold anyone for a salvage op? Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:10 AM I'll pass on that task thanks. You know the NYSW bought a steam engine from China & the ship sunk so they had to buy another one after they got the insurance $$$$ from the 1st 1? [:p][:o)] Originally posted by mersenne6 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken The one in Donner pass was the City of San Francisco; no damage, just a long (VERY long!) delay... sometime in the 50s; 1952 sticks in the mind, for some reason. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:21 AM Yes History Channel had a program on it. Yes, I also know that everyone survived in that incident. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by mersenne6 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jchnhtfd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: US 1,537 posts Posted by jchnhtfd on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:15 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken The one in Donner pass was the City of San Francisco; no damage, just a long (VERY long!) delay... sometime in the 50s; 1952 sticks in the mind, for some reason. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:21 AM Yes History Channel had a program on it. Yes, I also know that everyone survived in that incident. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Was there also not one in the Donner pass where a train was stuck for days due to snow? What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by mudchicken The one in Donner pass was the City of San Francisco; no damage, just a long (VERY long!) delay... sometime in the 50s; 1952 sticks in the mind, for some reason. Jamie Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:21 AM Yes History Channel had a program on it. Yes, I also know that everyone survived in that incident. [:p][:)] Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by jchnhtfd Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D] Are you refering to the City Of San Francisco wreck a Harney, Nv.on the SP. It was sabotage and the perpatrators never got cought, despite huge effort to catch them. This wreck was very similar to the Sunset limited wreck in Arizona a few years back. Isolated location, rail joint removed along with several yards of spikes and the rail pryed out, but they installed a wire between the rails to keep the signal circut intact. I think the year was 1938. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, April 4, 2005 10:48 AM Yes that is the one! Thanks for filling in the blanks[:o)][:p] Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed What about the UPRR derailment of a train destined for the bay area & supposely somebody sabotogued it? City of ? [:p][:)][:D]
Originally posted by chad thomas Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by spbed Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, April 4, 2005 11:08 AM I faintly remember hearing about a old steam locomotive being found in the Sacramento river in Tehama Co. From what I remember it fell into the river when a bridge colapsed. They rebuilt the bridge but never retrieved the locomotive. Then decades later when the water level dropped enough someone spotted it. By then no one remembered it was there. Some divers checked it out and discovered what it was. I think it was preserved in realy good condition. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Monday, April 4, 2005 1:06 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard Mudchicken, I thought after several attempts by writer Clive Cussler to find the lost locomotive of Kiowa Creek it was discovered that the railroad in question actually retrieved the locomotive in the middle of the night to rebuild it without the insurers knowing anything. Any ideas on the "lost" mountain locomotives supposedly still hidden in a snowshed and forgotten about? I've only heard a couple rumors, and kind of doubt the validity, but one can never tell with our mountains I suppose. Chris Denver, CO -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 2:38 PM You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply mustanggt Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Massachusetts 664 posts Posted by mustanggt on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:07 PM QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it. That was the Sunset limited in 1993 or 94. I think a few nearly new P42's drowned along with some superliners in that. And who can forget that big SP derailment / gas explosion out in California? C280 rollin' Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, April 4, 2005 4:18 PM Another one from South Texas... A circus train stopped in Flatonia. They let their elephant out to eat, not knowing that the railroad had recently sprayed along the right of way. The elephant was poisoned and died. I know a lot of of railroad historians who live around here, and none of them can figure out where the elephant is buried. We "think" we know, but there's no way of finding out for sure without just digging all over the place. m Reply Edit espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 6:41 PM My grandfather tod me that in the early 1900s,he saw a train in a heavy storm running along a river in Colorado.The ground gave way under the track,and the whole train went into the river.The railroad dredged the river,but they never found the locomotive. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,789 posts Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:15 PM He wasn't anywhere near Pueblo/Overton/Eden, was he? Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply espeefoamer Member sinceNovember 2003 From: West Coast 4,122 posts Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, April 4, 2005 7:25 PM It could have been the same wreck. Ride Amtrak. Cats Rule, Dogs Drool. Reply rrock Member sinceJuly 2002 From: Vancouver WA 20 posts Posted by rrock on Monday, April 4, 2005 8:59 PM Can't remember where I heard this one, but as a resident of the Pacific North West it is of interest... Seems that when Milwaukee road abandoned the western lines, a few pieces of bad-ordered rolling stock were abandoned on remote sidings. One was a tank car with either molasses or corn syrup. After some weeks, vandals drained the tank onto the ground- sticky smelly mess #1. In the ensuing weeks, wildlife feasted on the stickly fluid. After some time, smaller wildlife found their way into the tank via the opened drain valve...gorged themselves on the residue inside the thank...couldn't escape...perished...sticky really smelly mess #2. Reply CopCarSS Member sinceAugust 2002 From: Turner Junction 3,076 posts Posted by CopCarSS on Tuesday, April 5, 2005 9:19 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur) That's kind of what I was thinking, but apparently Cussler has given up his searches. When he was out here he ran a grid with a magnetometer for quite some distance, and only occasionally picked up anything, and nothing large enough to be a locomotive. Someplace on the net I found a write-up on it, as well as in Cussler's non-fiction book, The Sea Hunters. Managed to find myself in a patch of "grease soup" once. Not fun. I probably earned a first class ticket on the Styx River Transportation Company for the language I used there! [:0][:p] Chris -ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken ATSF: Eden, Colorado 1903 ( near Bragdon, north of Pueblo) After a bridge washout, train with steam locomotive never found again... UP (KP) Bennett, CO Kiowa Creek Washout of May 1935 same result Cincinnati, OH (Westwood) Copper Boilered Locomotive left in tunnel after Cincinnati & Western RR abandons tunnel project CRIP Smith Center, KS 1950's (?) passenger train marrooned in blizzard
-ChrisWest Chicago, ILChristopher May Fine Art Photography"In wisdom gathered over time I have found that every experience is a form of exploration." ~Ansel Adams
QUOTE: There is also the A/trak train in Ala that went into a bayou when a barge hit the bridge & misaligned it.
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken You do not clandestinely (sp?) retrieve something that big (a steam locomotive) in mud and water overnight in the middle of nowhere even now. The dirt out there on the high prairie between Bennett and Watkins on the KP is like "grease soup" when it gets wet. (You can't even keep your truck on the dirt roadway surface when it gets wet)....So underpowered bulldozers of the time, trucks and horses are not gonna do it. And extracting anything out of the mud requires serious digging out to free the locomotive from the ooze. (BN learned this in the 80's when they lost 2 SD40-2's in Bear Creek down between Aguilar and Trinidad in the 1980's)...... Never heard of a lost locomotive in a snowshed, but there is an abandoned light steam derrick south of Canon City on the Wolf Park/ South Canon City Branch (Cotter Spur)
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