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Originally posted by CSXtrainredneck17 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply wabash1 Member sinceApril 2001 From: US 2,849 posts Posted by wabash1 on Monday, April 4, 2005 9:11 AM if you would take 2 dash 9 engines you can get a 100 car coal train up and runing track speed easier than you can a 75-80 car auto rack train. and you might get that auto rack train to track speed. most every one on here keeps talking about what type of power ( mostly newer engines) and weight of train . the main facter in powering a train is of course weight then the size. 70 parachutes( auto racks) takes a long time to get up to speed and in some cases if the wind is blowing you will never reach track speed. if your train is long enough the drag from the rail is enough to try and overcome. the is a formula to figure how much a engine will pull. but it only means that what it will pull not how fast it will pull it Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:21 PM thanks for the info Reply Edit BaltACD Member sinceMay 2003 From: US 24,980 posts Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 5:30 PM Train size is a function of the physical characteristics and operation philosophy of the particular railroad and service being provided. In single track territory, siding size will normally limit train size. In other territories terrain or the size of terminal tracks will be the practical limiting factors to train size. Bigger is not always better. Never too old to have a happy childhood! Reply Grinandbearit Member sinceSeptember 2002 From: CANADA 126 posts Posted by Grinandbearit on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:37 PM On Sunday afternoon April 10, CN 149 (double stacks)running from Montreal to Chicago was 11,000 ft long. It had three engines, a Dash -8 and two Sd75s and was doing at least 55mph through Kingston. Reply canazar Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Phoenix, Arizona 1,989 posts Posted by canazar on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 2:22 AM I unfortunaly have nothing to contribute to this thread, but i Was compelled to comment on BlatACD graphic in his signiature.... That is just plain funny, I dont care who you are !! Of course, i think of the fellow in another thread who had to kick someone off his yard for being stupid and sitting in the middle of active tracks... John k Best Regards, Big John Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 9:31 AM It's in the Guiness Book, I think it was on N&W back in the 70's: about 300 cars of coal, 4 locos up front and 2 sets of 2 locos 1/3 and 2/3 in train....Get the women and chidren off the street.. Basically, CSX limits it's train to 8500 to 9000 feet, with engines, tonnage is usually not critical. My own experience: 1975 Waycross Ga. to High Springs Fl, train 307, 205 cars, 4 locos, dark territory at night, and a cushioned cab....what a ride. Reply Edit tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,885 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:55 AM Something over 180 cars (I lost count) - empty coal hoppers headed south on the IC main behind just two Geeps, which were pulling for all they were worth. Normally the unit coal trains ran around 90 cars, so I can only guess that they were short motive power on the north end (Chicago) and had joined two trains worth to take them south. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply gabe Member sinceMarch 2004 From: Indianapolis, Indiana 2,434 posts Posted by gabe on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 10:59 AM Wow, what I would give to see two Geeps pull a 180+ car coal drag. I guess in the flat lands of Illinois you can get away with that. Gabe Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,885 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:11 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe Wow, what I would give to see two Geeps pull a 180+ car coal drag. I guess in the flat lands of Illinois you can get away with that. Gabe I seriously doubt that the crew was enjoying it. Had the hoppers been loaded, I'd have been witness to a stall... And don't get fooled by that "flatlands of Illinois" stuff- coming south into Rantoul, IL is a lloonngg upgrade... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 11:13 AM NS occasionally runs stack trains well over 10.,000 feet on the Pittsburgh Line. I have witnessed a couple of Eastbound Stacktrains call out the defect detector at Lilly, MP 253.1, when the head end is passing the Station Inn at Cresson at MP 251. Once in awhile, an Eastbound Autorack will rival that length... Power for these trains is usually 2 or three Widecabs on the head-end and perhaps a pair of SD40-2 pushers on the rear, depending on tonnage....Dave Williams @ nsaltoonajohnstown@yahoogroups.com David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply bkdavidson Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Melbourne, Australia 20 posts Posted by bkdavidson on Thursday, May 12, 2005 6:58 PM In the December 03 edition of the Australian "Railway Digest" the following statement appeared: "...the world's longest train with eight GE AC6000CW locomotives and 682 ore cars operated over 275 kilometres in the Newman to Port Headland section on 21 June 2001. The train length was 7.353 kilometres." Apparently the ore cars were betreen 100 and 120 tonnes. I calculate this to be, with locos, around 80,000 tonnes. The length in miles is approx. 4.57 miles. Does anyone know if this has been surpassed since 2001 either in Australia or the US or anywhere else for that matter? Davo. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:41 PM I don't think so...TRAINS had a picture in a back issue of that Aussie beast. I do wonder how long it took to pump that train up. I also wonder if it was done as some kind of test, as a publicity gimmick, or if a train like that is really economically feasible. (Yeah I know... the more cars, the less locomotives, the cheaper it is.) I also wonder what the crew size was. Somehow I doubt there were only two guys on board, with the division chief filing his nails in an office reaching over to his speaker phone saying, "Hey, Mark...we got a 4-5 mile long train headed your way." to a dispatcher. I can imagine the yardmaster at the receiving end was thrilled too. Erik Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, May 13, 2005 1:41 AM God I loved working for the Santa Fe , short fast trains! This long monsters are nitemares! Reply Edit UP_North Member sinceJuly 2004 From: chicagoland 48 posts Posted by UP_North on Saturday, May 14, 2005 12:45 AM Long, heavy, underpowered trains are much easier to run than short and fast trains. I'm lazy and its much easier to put in the 8th notch and never get to track speed than always messing with the throttle on a light train. Reply 12 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
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Best Regards, Big John
Kiva Valley Railway- Freelanced road in central Arizona. Visit the link to see my MR forum thread on The Building of the Whitton Branch on the Kiva Valley Railway
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
QUOTE: Originally posted by gabe Wow, what I would give to see two Geeps pull a 180+ car coal drag. I guess in the flat lands of Illinois you can get away with that. Gabe
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