"No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld)
QUOTE: Originally posted by ericsp Must be somewhere on one side of the Willamette Valley. I would guess the Molalla Branch.
Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:50 AM Kenneo, The line from Lone Pine (owens valley) to Mound house was not the NCO. It was the Carson and Colarado. Part of whitch became the Mina branch and standard guaged. A new line was built to connest with the transcon at Hazen. This line still exists from Hazen to Thorne where there is a large munitions storage facility. The NCO was built from Reno to Lakeview. The only part of the NCO that was common with the Modoc was between Wendel and Alturas. The Western Pacific Reno branch used original NCO row into Reno (Thus the narrow guage curves in Reno). The SP incorperated the section between Alturas and Wendel into the Modoc. At Wendel they built a new line to Wadsworth on the transcon, through Flannigan and past Pyramid lake. The section Between Flannigan and Wadsworth was abandoned when SP secured track rights from Flannigan to Winnemucca on the WP (around 1958). The section between Alturas and Lakeview became the Lakeview branch. The Lakeview branch was sold in the early 80s to Lake co. and operated for years by the Great Western out of Colarado. About 5 years ago Lake co took over operations themselves (Lake County RR). That and tracks in Reno are the only part of the NCO still operating today. The UP abandoned the Modoc from McArthur (just so. of Alturas) to Wendel. And the old WP Reno branch is out of service.[8D] Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Thursday, March 31, 2005 11:53 AM Jim, Are you sure its on the Modoc. It looks to me like its the cut the Oregon trunk goes through just north of Klamath. Reply ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Thursday, March 31, 2005 8:25 PM When did SP sell the Lakeview Branch? If it was before 1979, the picture could not have been taken there. Notice that the second boxcar is a Pullman-Standard (B-70-84). These were bought in 1979. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:32 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Jim, Are you sure its on the Modoc. It looks to me like its the cut the Oregon trunk goes through just north of Klamath. Chad, I think you did it. BTW, the OT has trackage rights from a point just south (RR West) or the north (RR East) yard throat (the OT rights go down the yard throat and down the Runaround track that is on the geographic East side of the yard to the point where the OT main bears left into the GN's Yard) to a point just south (RR West) of the Gilchrist depot, where the OT continues North on the Inside Gateway and the SP turns West to go over Cascade Summit. A much closer look (hard for me with my somewhat aged eyes) does appear to show a second track in the cut, and that is just the way K.Falls is on the north end. The OT, from the Columbia River crosses over at Wishram and follows the Deschutes River to South Jct where UP ownership takes over to a point between Madras and Culver (Metolius?), then OT again to Gilchrist Jct, SP to K. Falls, GN to Bieber, WP on south to the ATSF (I don't remember the station name). Thanks for the info correcting my NCO knowledge. I did not know that the WP's Reno Branch was original NCO grade! And the extent of the C&C I did not remember properly. I don't have any reference books on that part of what became the SP. It's too bad that they have torn up so much of the NCO/C&C since traffic up and down what is know as the I-5 Corridor comes close to maxing out the rail capacity of both the UP and the BNSF. Eric Reply ericsp Member sinceMay 2015 5,134 posts Posted by ericsp on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:48 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Jim, Are you sure its on the Modoc. It looks to me like its the cut the Oregon trunk goes through just north of Klamath. Chad, I think you did it. BTW, the OT has trackage rights from a point just south (RR West) or the north (RR East) yard throat (the OT rights go down the yard throat and down the Runaround track that is on the geographic East side of the yard to the point where the OT main bears left into the GN's Yard) to a point just south (RR West) of the Gilchrist depot, where the OT continues North on the Inside Gateway and the SP turns West to go over Cascade Summit. A much closer look (hard for me with my somewhat aged eyes) does appear to show a second track in the cut, and that is just the way K.Falls is on the north end. The OT, from the Columbia River crosses over at Wishram and follows the Deschutes River to South Jct where UP ownership takes over to a point between Madras and Culver (Metolius?), then OT again to Gilchrist Jct, SP to K. Falls, GN to Bieber, WP on south to the ATSF (I don't remember the station name). Thanks for the info correcting my NCO knowledge. I did not know that the WP's Reno Branch was original NCO grade! And the extent of the C&C I did not remember properly. I don't have any reference books on that part of what became the SP. It's too bad that they have torn up so much of the NCO/C&C since traffic up and down what is know as the I-5 Corridor comes close to maxing out the rail capacity of both the UP and the BNSF. Did SP used to have a branchline in the Klamath Falls area? I cannot find one in my 1989 SP timetable. "No soup for you!" - Yev Kassem (from Seinfeld) Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 9:11 AM Actualy I Don't think it's the main. I think its Industrial track just north of Klamath (or mabee west of the SP yard but I don't think theres any cuts there). But it is definatly the K-Falls area. The red cinder balast is a dead giveaway. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 9:35 AM ericsp, SP sold the lakeview branch around 1984 (don't know exact). Lake co. bought the branch and contracted operations out to the Great Western Railway out of Loveland , Co..They ran it for many years. In the mid 90s Lake Co. took over from Great Western and ran it on there own. It almost dissapeared when all but one mill in Lakeview closed. And the one remaining mill almost stopped shipping by rail. Just when things were looking pretty bleak, Along came some company that started mining diatomatious earth in the area (not sure where it's mined). They built a re-load south of Lakeview. For a while covered hoppers carried the railroad. Then a couple years ago a mill re-opened and lumber traffic is back. Now things look stable. These days the train comes down from Lakeview (to Alturas) 3 times a week. I would say on average there are 8-12 mine loads,6-8 chip cars and 4-6 centerbeams of boardwood. They tried to get raw logs from the Arizona fire shipped by rail like Sierra Pacific mill in susanville did, But UPs problems nixed that. That would have been the first in-bound loads in many decades. The problem they have now is getting UP to supply them with sufficient empties. They are suppose to bring mtys from K-falls once a week and take the loads. Some weeks UP blows it so bad that by the time they get a train down to Alturas it's often 75-80 cars long. * I thought the Great Western bought the line from SP. I was told a couple of years ago that Lake co. owned it all along. I'm not sure who actualy owned it then. But either way Great Western ran it with there locos (GP7,GP9 of UP heritage) Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 9:41 AM kenneo, If your interested in the history of Nevada and Eastern California I HIGHLY reccomend the book "Railroads of Nevada and Eastern California" by David Myrick. It's actualy two books. They are my favorite RR books out of all my collection. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 1, 2005 11:14 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas ericsp, SP sold the lakeview branch around 1984 (don't know exact). Lake co. bought the branch and contracted operations out to the Great Western Railway out of Loveland , Co....* I thought the Great Western bought the line from SP. I was told a couple of years ago that Lake co. owned it all along. I'm not sure who actualy owned it then. But either way Great Western ran it with there locos (GP7,GP9 of UP heritage) Chad, Enjoyed your post on Lake County's railroad. The year that the Lakeview branch was sold to the county was 1986. Some Oregon State Lotto money was used towards this purchase by the county. Here is a photo from my collection that shows the construction of the cut that SP 3773 is moving through. This being taken from the opposite side of the cut looking roughly west. Jim Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 11:21 AM I can't place the exact spot. It dosn't look like anywhere I know on the Modoc. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Friday, April 1, 2005 11:40 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas I can't place the exact spot. It dosn't look like anywhere I know on the Modoc. It is the depot cut in Susanville, California. As built the line from Fernley, Nevada to Westwood California was to continue on to Klamath Falls, Ore from Westwood Junction. For a time this line, before the Modoc, was known as the Fernley branch although not listed as such in period Employee Timetables. As stated before by chad, the portion of this line between Fernley and Wendel was incorparated into the Modoc. The rest of the line between Wendel and Westwood became the Westwood Branch, then with cut back to Susanville, was known as the Susanville branch. Jim Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 11:56 AM Well I was way off. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:35 PM Find easier ones. I am more up on major lines not minor ones. [:D][:D] Originally posted by SP9033 Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:55 PM Actually, in its day the Fernley branch was a major player supplying incredible amounts of lumber loads for the SP. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:25 AM How the heck do you find these dozies? [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Jim, Are you sure its on the Modoc. It looks to me like its the cut the Oregon trunk goes through just north of Klamath.
QUOTE: Originally posted by kenneo QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Jim, Are you sure its on the Modoc. It looks to me like its the cut the Oregon trunk goes through just north of Klamath. Chad, I think you did it. BTW, the OT has trackage rights from a point just south (RR West) or the north (RR East) yard throat (the OT rights go down the yard throat and down the Runaround track that is on the geographic East side of the yard to the point where the OT main bears left into the GN's Yard) to a point just south (RR West) of the Gilchrist depot, where the OT continues North on the Inside Gateway and the SP turns West to go over Cascade Summit. A much closer look (hard for me with my somewhat aged eyes) does appear to show a second track in the cut, and that is just the way K.Falls is on the north end. The OT, from the Columbia River crosses over at Wishram and follows the Deschutes River to South Jct where UP ownership takes over to a point between Madras and Culver (Metolius?), then OT again to Gilchrist Jct, SP to K. Falls, GN to Bieber, WP on south to the ATSF (I don't remember the station name). Thanks for the info correcting my NCO knowledge. I did not know that the WP's Reno Branch was original NCO grade! And the extent of the C&C I did not remember properly. I don't have any reference books on that part of what became the SP. It's too bad that they have torn up so much of the NCO/C&C since traffic up and down what is know as the I-5 Corridor comes close to maxing out the rail capacity of both the UP and the BNSF.
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas ericsp, SP sold the lakeview branch around 1984 (don't know exact). Lake co. bought the branch and contracted operations out to the Great Western Railway out of Loveland , Co....* I thought the Great Western bought the line from SP. I was told a couple of years ago that Lake co. owned it all along. I'm not sure who actualy owned it then. But either way Great Western ran it with there locos (GP7,GP9 of UP heritage)
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas I can't place the exact spot. It dosn't look like anywhere I know on the Modoc.
Originally posted by SP9033 Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:55 PM Actually, in its day the Fernley branch was a major player supplying incredible amounts of lumber loads for the SP. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:25 AM How the heck do you find these dozies? [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:55 PM Actually, in its day the Fernley branch was a major player supplying incredible amounts of lumber loads for the SP. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Saturday, April 2, 2005 8:25 AM How the heck do you find these dozies? [:p][:D][:o)] Originally posted by SP9033 Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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