Originally posted by tree68 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,010 posts Posted by tree68 on Friday, April 1, 2005 12:16 PM Probably more important than the name on the side of the locomotive is how often are those locomotives going by. A RR might be sticking to its own motive power, but running less trains. If they aren't commensurately longer, then traffic isn't moving... I heard of a CSX freight not long ago that was about two days behind it's scheduled start. For a run of either 150 or 250 miles, that's significant, methinks. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Friday, April 1, 2005 7:21 AM Sounds quite reasonable to me. I was watching one of my rail fan adventures & I was in Riverside CA & a BNSF WB came by lead was a BNSF then 2 CNRRs then a NSRR. I wonder if at that time which was 09/04 BNSF was power short! [:o)][:p][:)] Originally posted by jeffhergert Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,898 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:13 PM Seeing or not seeing foreign line or leased power by itself dosen't confirm or deny a power shortage. It's the trains you don't see. The ones that can't get out of a yard because there isn't enough engines, or a train that is drug out to the nearest siding and put away so the power can be taken off to be used elsewhere. Also one area of a railroad may be short while another area has more engines than they need. A few days later, things may have changed, the short area is awash in power and the other area holding trains. Jeff Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM I think we can all pick up "signs" of a nationwide, not just UPRR, power shortage, and it's been going on for a while. Last summer I saw BNSF power on CSX rails around Chattanooga. I have also seen UPRR power on NS lines, as well as TFM locomotives (working a way freight, of all things.) Is all this color (even faded, leased "X"-files locomotives) a sign that NS is short equipment? I dunno. Erik Reply Edit richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard You must be in Tulsa! I have not seen a UP unit working in the Tulsa Area in a while........but I don't look everyday either.....FURX units have been sighted of late. Mike in Tulsa Yes it is Tulsa. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard You must be in Tulsa! I have not seen a UP unit working in the Tulsa Area in a while........but I don't look everyday either.....FURX units have been sighted of late. Mike in Tulsa Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:16 PM Thanks. If our energy prices keep increasing then they maybe putting those 315 locos in storage. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Swafford Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:06 PM From the Reuters story today: "The railroad, which was caught unprepared last year for the heavy freight volumes from the U.S. economic expansion and surge in global trade and faced crew and equipment shortages, said it plans to buy 315 new locomotives and more than 4,000 rail cars." http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh34342_2005-03-30_17-27-30_n30173865_newsml Reply Edit richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:37 AM I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:35 AM Is the UPRR doing that today??????[:p][:D] Originally posted by TheS.P.caboose Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:33 AM Maybe just a rotational thing to replace oldies but goodies? [:p][:D] Originally posted by Swafford [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:06 PM Yes, it appears that UP is short on power. If not, why would they place orders for 315 diesel locomotives for 2005 delivery. Just a thought. C45ACCTEs or ES44ACs Ordered 200 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=99154 SD70ACe Ordered 115 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=98259 Best regards, Frank Swafford Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:35 PM Just because "foreign" power is not operating on a line doesn't mean that they are not having a power shortage. The presence of "foreign road" power usually means that the "foreign road" in question is using "home road" power and is repaying the horsepower hours. "X Line" (private non-railroad owned power that is leased out -- the reporting marks end in "X" (GATX; EFCX)) being present would be a better indicator of a power shortage - but even this is not a sure sign. The "foreign road" could lease a locomotive to be used by the "home road" to work off HPH's. Eric Reply TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:50 PM There was a time several years ago when Union Pacific was short of power that on the coastline they would run 90 cars trains with two units. The problem was around tunnels 26, 27 and 28 the trains could only have a track speed of 4 mph; and this was on a 1% grade. Regards Gary Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:16 PM I have seen more forign power on UP latly myself. It depends on where your looking. I noticed that certain lines virtualy never see forign power even when there are lots of them on the railroad. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:51 AM Yep that is fact but I think the starter of thread thrust was more like why are there not more leased or other RRs power if the UPRR is so "short" of power. [:p][:o)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Originally posted by jeffhergert Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply jeffhergert Member sinceMarch 2003 From: Central Iowa 6,898 posts Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, March 31, 2005 12:13 PM Seeing or not seeing foreign line or leased power by itself dosen't confirm or deny a power shortage. It's the trains you don't see. The ones that can't get out of a yard because there isn't enough engines, or a train that is drug out to the nearest siding and put away so the power can be taken off to be used elsewhere. Also one area of a railroad may be short while another area has more engines than they need. A few days later, things may have changed, the short area is awash in power and the other area holding trains. Jeff Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, March 31, 2005 9:20 AM I think we can all pick up "signs" of a nationwide, not just UPRR, power shortage, and it's been going on for a while. Last summer I saw BNSF power on CSX rails around Chattanooga. I have also seen UPRR power on NS lines, as well as TFM locomotives (working a way freight, of all things.) Is all this color (even faded, leased "X"-files locomotives) a sign that NS is short equipment? I dunno. Erik Reply Edit richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 9:57 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard You must be in Tulsa! I have not seen a UP unit working in the Tulsa Area in a while........but I don't look everyday either.....FURX units have been sighted of late. Mike in Tulsa Yes it is Tulsa. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 2:41 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard You must be in Tulsa! I have not seen a UP unit working in the Tulsa Area in a while........but I don't look everyday either.....FURX units have been sighted of late. Mike in Tulsa Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:16 PM Thanks. If our energy prices keep increasing then they maybe putting those 315 locos in storage. [:(][:(] Originally posted by Swafford Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:06 PM From the Reuters story today: "The railroad, which was caught unprepared last year for the heavy freight volumes from the U.S. economic expansion and surge in global trade and faced crew and equipment shortages, said it plans to buy 315 new locomotives and more than 4,000 rail cars." http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh34342_2005-03-30_17-27-30_n30173865_newsml Reply Edit richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:37 AM I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:35 AM Is the UPRR doing that today??????[:p][:D] Originally posted by TheS.P.caboose Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:33 AM Maybe just a rotational thing to replace oldies but goodies? [:p][:D] Originally posted by Swafford [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:06 PM Yes, it appears that UP is short on power. If not, why would they place orders for 315 diesel locomotives for 2005 delivery. Just a thought. C45ACCTEs or ES44ACs Ordered 200 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=99154 SD70ACe Ordered 115 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=98259 Best regards, Frank Swafford Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:35 PM Just because "foreign" power is not operating on a line doesn't mean that they are not having a power shortage. The presence of "foreign road" power usually means that the "foreign road" in question is using "home road" power and is repaying the horsepower hours. "X Line" (private non-railroad owned power that is leased out -- the reporting marks end in "X" (GATX; EFCX)) being present would be a better indicator of a power shortage - but even this is not a sure sign. The "foreign road" could lease a locomotive to be used by the "home road" to work off HPH's. Eric Reply TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:50 PM There was a time several years ago when Union Pacific was short of power that on the coastline they would run 90 cars trains with two units. The problem was around tunnels 26, 27 and 28 the trains could only have a track speed of 4 mph; and this was on a 1% grade. Regards Gary Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:16 PM I have seen more forign power on UP latly myself. It depends on where your looking. I noticed that certain lines virtualy never see forign power even when there are lots of them on the railroad. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:51 AM Yep that is fact but I think the starter of thread thrust was more like why are there not more leased or other RRs power if the UPRR is so "short" of power. [:p][:o)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by Mike Rehling QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard You must be in Tulsa! I have not seen a UP unit working in the Tulsa Area in a while........but I don't look everyday either.....FURX units have been sighted of late. Mike in Tulsa
QUOTE: Originally posted by richardy I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard
Originally posted by Swafford Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 12:06 PM From the Reuters story today: "The railroad, which was caught unprepared last year for the heavy freight volumes from the U.S. economic expansion and surge in global trade and faced crew and equipment shortages, said it plans to buy 315 new locomotives and more than 4,000 rail cars." http://yahoo.reuters.com/financeQuoteCompanyNewsArticle.jhtml?duid=mtfh34342_2005-03-30_17-27-30_n30173865_newsml Reply Edit richardy Member sinceDecember 2001 From: NE Oklahoma 287 posts Posted by richardy on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 8:37 AM I am on a UP branch line and they have a pool of six to eight units here at a time. The units in the past were all UP but they are almost always all lease units now. Maybe the UP owned units are in corridor mainline service so an observer along those lines would see mostly UP while I rarely see UP? Just a thought. Richard Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:35 AM Is the UPRR doing that today??????[:p][:D] Originally posted by TheS.P.caboose Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:33 AM Maybe just a rotational thing to replace oldies but goodies? [:p][:D] Originally posted by Swafford [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:06 PM Yes, it appears that UP is short on power. If not, why would they place orders for 315 diesel locomotives for 2005 delivery. Just a thought. C45ACCTEs or ES44ACs Ordered 200 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=99154 SD70ACe Ordered 115 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=98259 Best regards, Frank Swafford Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:35 PM Just because "foreign" power is not operating on a line doesn't mean that they are not having a power shortage. The presence of "foreign road" power usually means that the "foreign road" in question is using "home road" power and is repaying the horsepower hours. "X Line" (private non-railroad owned power that is leased out -- the reporting marks end in "X" (GATX; EFCX)) being present would be a better indicator of a power shortage - but even this is not a sure sign. The "foreign road" could lease a locomotive to be used by the "home road" to work off HPH's. Eric Reply TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:50 PM There was a time several years ago when Union Pacific was short of power that on the coastline they would run 90 cars trains with two units. The problem was around tunnels 26, 27 and 28 the trains could only have a track speed of 4 mph; and this was on a 1% grade. Regards Gary Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:16 PM I have seen more forign power on UP latly myself. It depends on where your looking. I noticed that certain lines virtualy never see forign power even when there are lots of them on the railroad. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:51 AM Yep that is fact but I think the starter of thread thrust was more like why are there not more leased or other RRs power if the UPRR is so "short" of power. [:p][:o)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by TheS.P.caboose Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, March 30, 2005 7:33 AM Maybe just a rotational thing to replace oldies but goodies? [:p][:D] Originally posted by Swafford [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:06 PM Yes, it appears that UP is short on power. If not, why would they place orders for 315 diesel locomotives for 2005 delivery. Just a thought. C45ACCTEs or ES44ACs Ordered 200 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=99154 SD70ACe Ordered 115 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=98259 Best regards, Frank Swafford Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:35 PM Just because "foreign" power is not operating on a line doesn't mean that they are not having a power shortage. The presence of "foreign road" power usually means that the "foreign road" in question is using "home road" power and is repaying the horsepower hours. "X Line" (private non-railroad owned power that is leased out -- the reporting marks end in "X" (GATX; EFCX)) being present would be a better indicator of a power shortage - but even this is not a sure sign. The "foreign road" could lease a locomotive to be used by the "home road" to work off HPH's. Eric Reply TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:50 PM There was a time several years ago when Union Pacific was short of power that on the coastline they would run 90 cars trains with two units. The problem was around tunnels 26, 27 and 28 the trains could only have a track speed of 4 mph; and this was on a 1% grade. Regards Gary Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:16 PM I have seen more forign power on UP latly myself. It depends on where your looking. I noticed that certain lines virtualy never see forign power even when there are lots of them on the railroad. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:51 AM Yep that is fact but I think the starter of thread thrust was more like why are there not more leased or other RRs power if the UPRR is so "short" of power. [:p][:o)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Swafford [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:06 PM Yes, it appears that UP is short on power. If not, why would they place orders for 315 diesel locomotives for 2005 delivery. Just a thought. C45ACCTEs or ES44ACs Ordered 200 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=99154 SD70ACe Ordered 115 Units http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=98259 Best regards, Frank Swafford Reply Edit kenneo Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Upper Left Coast 1,796 posts Posted by kenneo on Monday, March 28, 2005 3:35 PM Just because "foreign" power is not operating on a line doesn't mean that they are not having a power shortage. The presence of "foreign road" power usually means that the "foreign road" in question is using "home road" power and is repaying the horsepower hours. "X Line" (private non-railroad owned power that is leased out -- the reporting marks end in "X" (GATX; EFCX)) being present would be a better indicator of a power shortage - but even this is not a sure sign. The "foreign road" could lease a locomotive to be used by the "home road" to work off HPH's. Eric Reply TheS.P.caboose Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Canoga Park (Los Angeles) 494 posts Posted by TheS.P.caboose on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:50 PM There was a time several years ago when Union Pacific was short of power that on the coastline they would run 90 cars trains with two units. The problem was around tunnels 26, 27 and 28 the trains could only have a track speed of 4 mph; and this was on a 1% grade. Regards Gary Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 12:16 PM I have seen more forign power on UP latly myself. It depends on where your looking. I noticed that certain lines virtualy never see forign power even when there are lots of them on the railroad. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:51 AM Yep that is fact but I think the starter of thread thrust was more like why are there not more leased or other RRs power if the UPRR is so "short" of power. [:p][:o)] Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by chad thomas Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Monday, March 28, 2005 11:02 AM As average train velocity drops, so does the locomotive availabity. Thus it takes more locos to run the railroad....UPs velocity is not the best these days. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 28, 2005 9:02 AM Ever think it is people printing stuff without having all the facts? [:p][:)][:D] Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by BNSF railfan. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts What Power Shortage? Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 28, 2005 8:12 AM I always hear alot of People say that the UP is having a Power shortage,What Power shortage? I don't see no Power shortage. Well every once once in a wblue moon ill see a CSXT or an NS or an GATX evey once in a while (Hardly ever) but most of the time it's always Union Pacific Power! Where is this so called Power shortage? BNSFrailfan. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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