Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Monday, March 28, 2005 4:53 PM Strange that talk has got round to Sussex as I was born in Sussex just before WWll at a place called Barcombe Mills near Lewes now the County Town of East Sussex. I lived in Sussex until I went into the RAF to do my National Service but I now have lived longer in Kent. Barcombe Mills was on the "Bluebell Line" http://www.bluebell-railway.co.uk/ but not now active as the track has been removed. I suppose this may have been the start of my interest in Steam although I was to young to appreciate it at the time. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:49 AM Surely not yet as densely populated as Monmouth was when I left 8 years ago. Originally posted by NJMike [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:31 AM Sussex county is pretty good. It's not the best and it is not the worse. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 11:00 AM Nice country their. Prettier to the eye then Monmouth[:D] Originally posted by NJMike Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Yes, I live in Suusex County, New Jersey. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:37 AM What pix are you looking for? [:D] I could make a diagram of what is behind the trees if you send your address to spbed@yahoo.com [:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:10 AM i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:14 AM I was at MSH live & in person last year. Spectular view. I also met several people who were staying at the motel I was staying at that were affected by the explosion as they lived west of the mudslide & floods that were the result of the eruption. It will take reams of words to explain what occurred to relay thereeye witness account. They said they saw rail cars go floating by. I was lucky to get such a 1st hand review of what occurred on the aftermath of the explosions. [:(] My question was were you in California in Sept 04? If you were not please disregard the question. [:D] Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by NJMike [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:31 AM Sussex county is pretty good. It's not the best and it is not the worse. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 11:00 AM Nice country their. Prettier to the eye then Monmouth[:D] Originally posted by NJMike Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Yes, I live in Suusex County, New Jersey. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:37 AM What pix are you looking for? [:D] I could make a diagram of what is behind the trees if you send your address to spbed@yahoo.com [:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:10 AM i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:14 AM I was at MSH live & in person last year. Spectular view. I also met several people who were staying at the motel I was staying at that were affected by the explosion as they lived west of the mudslide & floods that were the result of the eruption. It will take reams of words to explain what occurred to relay thereeye witness account. They said they saw rail cars go floating by. I was lucky to get such a 1st hand review of what occurred on the aftermath of the explosions. [:(] My question was were you in California in Sept 04? If you were not please disregard the question. [:D] Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by NJMike Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 10:46 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Yes, I live in Suusex County, New Jersey. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:37 AM What pix are you looking for? [:D] I could make a diagram of what is behind the trees if you send your address to spbed@yahoo.com [:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:10 AM i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:14 AM I was at MSH live & in person last year. Spectular view. I also met several people who were staying at the motel I was staying at that were affected by the explosion as they lived west of the mudslide & floods that were the result of the eruption. It will take reams of words to explain what occurred to relay thereeye witness account. They said they saw rail cars go floating by. I was lucky to get such a 1st hand review of what occurred on the aftermath of the explosions. [:(] My question was were you in California in Sept 04? If you were not please disregard the question. [:D] Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Yes, I live in Suusex County, New Jersey. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:37 AM What pix are you looking for? [:D] I could make a diagram of what is behind the trees if you send your address to spbed@yahoo.com [:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:10 AM i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:14 AM I was at MSH live & in person last year. Spectular view. I also met several people who were staying at the motel I was staying at that were affected by the explosion as they lived west of the mudslide & floods that were the result of the eruption. It will take reams of words to explain what occurred to relay thereeye witness account. They said they saw rail cars go floating by. I was lucky to get such a 1st hand review of what occurred on the aftermath of the explosions. [:(] My question was were you in California in Sept 04? If you were not please disregard the question. [:D] Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Yes, I live in Suusex County, New Jersey. Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:37 AM What pix are you looking for? [:D] I could make a diagram of what is behind the trees if you send your address to spbed@yahoo.com [:D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 21, 2005 9:10 AM i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it? Reply Edit spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:14 AM I was at MSH live & in person last year. Spectular view. I also met several people who were staying at the motel I was staying at that were affected by the explosion as they lived west of the mudslide & floods that were the result of the eruption. It will take reams of words to explain what occurred to relay thereeye witness account. They said they saw rail cars go floating by. I was lucky to get such a 1st hand review of what occurred on the aftermath of the explosions. [:(] My question was were you in California in Sept 04? If you were not please disregard the question. [:D] Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Old Limey
QUOTE: Originally posted by Goatherder_ i must be blind i can't find it. would some one post a link to a good pic of it?
Originally posted by Old Limey [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Monday, March 21, 2005 8:05 AM Your welcome. I to always wondered what that track led to also. That is why I visited there? Are U really from NJ? I lived most of my life in Monmouth County. [:o)][:D][:p] Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by NJMike Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Old Limey Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. I noticed one day there was a BNSF (looked like a local) that stopped on the left hand side of the BNSF trackage and backed up onto what seemed like a track parallel two the UP trackage. After I saw that I was wondering what was back there. But now I know[:D]. Thanks spbed for that information. Reply Edit Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:40 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Sunday, March 20, 2005 2:38 PM I thank you all for your replies, most informative. I have two web cams I check every time I am on line, Rochelle and Mt St Helens just to see how things are going.(I usually see a little smoke from there which looks a little like steam) SPBED.If you were asking me.I only sent a question to the contact E-Mail address saying how sad it was that sound could not be added to the Rochelle Webcam to give everyone a huge boost in the power of these diesals that silently pass by. I did see a fan once standing out front who showed by his actions that something big was approaching from the East.Although I am not a diesal fan, I do appreciate the sheer power they represent. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:02 AM I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply shrek623 Member sinceJune 2004 From: North central Illinois 120 posts Posted by shrek623 on Thursday, March 17, 2005 2:37 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. On the BNSF side there is a crossover about a half mile to the west of the diamond and one about 1 mile to the east(by the "steam plant" where they have a small yard for local switching) Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:43 PM I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 4:08 PM Just took the aerial trip to Rochelle and you must be a keen railway fan to live there it seems as it looks like there are several double level crossings in the town. I went to a talk here in Kent about level crossings and mentioned the length of trains here to the USA and it seems the answer is you grin and bear it.I wonder what the commercial cost of the waiting by trucks etc over the whole of the States is costing the nation? Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 25,009 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:52 PM Pay a visit to http://terraserver.homeadvisor.msn.com/ and bring up Rochelle, Illinois. You'll get to see how things look around the diamond (which isn't hard to find). There are both maps and aerial photos available, with some pretty impressive resolutions. I would suspect the photos and maps date to before the new intermodal facility, though. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply CSXrules4eva Member sinceAugust 2004 From: Louisville, KY 1,345 posts Posted by CSXrules4eva on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:49 PM My best guess is how the people put up with long waits at the grade xings is to just wait. Where I live many of the grade Xings are for passanger trains so the people siting waiting for the train at the grade Xing don't have to wait too entirely long. However, the grade Xings farther up north from me are 99% freight. Sometimes, people might be waiting for 10 or 15 mins for a train to go by. There is no other way around it. The only way an emergancy vehicle will get around the long wait is to take another route. I would think cops or other EMTs in the area can alert the emergancy going vehicle to take an alternate route. LORD HELP US ALL TO BE ORIGINAL AND NOT CRISPY!!! please? Sarah J.M. Warner conductor CSX Reply Old Limey Member sinceJuly 2004 From: The Worlds first Navy Base (Kent) 34 posts Rochelle Train Movements14-56 hrs 16/03/05 Posted by Old Limey on Wednesday, March 16, 2005 3:26 PM Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by. Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed I meant someone from the UK @ Daggett last summer was that you? In any case that track leads to a manufacturing company that is not seen on the cam. There is a little yard their about 7/ 8 tracks also not seen on the cam. The yard is accessable from both the UPRR & BNSF tracks. [8D] QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by.
QUOTE: Originally posted by Old Limey Sitting here in Kent UK and watching two freights coming towards me at Rochelle at the same time is interesting. However I have noticed once before the move to rival tracks and suspect this is to keep the junction from 'Gumming' up but can someone tell me what the track layout is behind me on the left hnd side.Is it another switch to get the trains back on the correct track heading East? Another question is how do the public put up with the long delays on crossings when all this traffic movement goes on?Emergency vehicles must have a really rough time of it. It took ten minutes the other day for one train to pass by.
QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR I know I'm not using Briti***erminology, but I hope some of what I'm describing is clear. Most of the crossings near Rochelle are grade crossings (level crossings, I guess you'd say). Interstate 39, of course, crosses over the UP tracks on overpasses east of the city, and Interstate 88 crosses over BNSF on overpasses south of the city. Illinois 251 (used to be the main north-south highway before I-39 was built) now has an overpass that crosses both main lines just to the east of the diamond. Things were a mess before that was built. The UP line is two main tracks in both directions from Rochelle. Since it is CTC, either track can be used in either direction, as the dispatcher sees fit. There is a crossover between the tracks at Dement Road, about two miles east of the diamonds. There's another one at the west end of Global 3, about five miles to the west.. BNSF has two tracks for some distance either side of the city, but this is basically a single-track line. I'm not sure if there are any crossovers in the entire two-track stretch. There is a small yard about a mile east of the diamonds. If it is known that trains are going to encounter delays in going through Rochelle, they will often be held back to keep the grade crossings clear. Your question about the cost of delayed commerce is a good one. Part of the reasoning behind CREATE (the Chicago-area proposal to basically re-draw the railroad map of the city) is to cut this time down significantly; up to 25 new grade separations betwen roads and railroads are part of the plan. Sarah, some of the stalled trains out here are long enough to cut a suburb in half. Many of the suburbs have firehouses on both sides of the tracks for that reason. If an emergency vehicle should need to get across the tracks, it usually takes the route that has a grade separation, even if it is less direct.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.