What is your favorite non 4-8-4 streamliner.

[Anonymous]

I asked for a non 4-8-4 because I know most of the answers would be
N&W's J class, & SP's GS-2 through 6 series. I know both engines were a
sucess & big favorites. No.4449 was also the steam train who got the
title "Most beautiful train in the world". The N&W's J class (NO.116 is preserved)
was the most powerful 4-8-4 (At 6000hp), had the greatest tractive effort
(80,000lb) making it easy to start on it's hilly terrain, could travel up to 90mph,
could, handle up to a 2% grade, & had a winner style. I dont know if NYC's
nigara series counts as a streamliner, but they were popular being efficent.
Surprisingly ,no steam train could enter the city that they were named after, by
law, not even the 20th Century limited !

[CopCarSS]

I always liked the streamlined NYC Hudsons with the kind of finned bullet nose look to them. A lot of everything else looked like upside down bathtubs to me.

Chris
Denver, CO

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

None other than MILW Class A 4-4-2's, the original Hiawatha locomotives. A close second would be PRR T1 duplex-drives.

[edbenton]

The Blue Goose on the Santa Fe and also it and is non-streamlined sisters used to run in WW II from kansas city to LA Without and engine change day in day out except when they needed to be put in the shop which was not often.

[daveklepper]

I don't really like shovel nozes on steam locomotives. The T-1 was probably my least favorite "streamliner", looks like toast-maker to me, or some other kitchen appliance. Despite my being a K-4 fan and an E-6 fan. Now that was a wonderful locomotive.

I vote for the New Haven I-5. Really handsom, and still really looks like a steamer.

Come to think of it, except for color accents, its streamlining isn't much different than my 4-8-4 favorite, the N&W J!

[gabe]

PRR T-1 Duplex.

There was a really good short story about a T-1 in Trains many years ago. Something to the effect of being late in their career and they were behind schedule. It just made you feel like those venerable machines could fly.

Gabe

[Anonymous]

The RF&P had some handsome non-streamlined 4-8-4's. So did ACL, even if they were too heavy for ACL's track.

[Anonymous]

Daveklepper there actually was a K-4 pacific streamlined for a small amount of
time called the "Brodway Limited".

[espeefoamer]

The streamlined 4-6-2s on the T&NO,used on the Sunbeam and Hustler.They were really beautiful locomotives.My second favorite is the Pennsy T1.I really like the shark nose on those engines.

[Anonymous]

espeeforamer, it's good that you "Trust Jesus & believe that cats rule, dog's drool"
but as for this ride amtrak, too many people park automobiles on the track ! Everybody
seems to like the 4-4-4-4 T-1, Baldwin made good sharks (steam & diesel).

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by mac 4884

espeeforamer, it's good that you "Trust Jesus & believe that cats rule, dog's drool"
but as for this ride amtrak, too many people park automobiles on the track ! Everybody
seems to like the 4-4-4-4 T-1, Baldwin made good sharks (steam & diesel).

and besides, everyone knows it's "Cat's Poo, Dogs Rule".

Hmm..take the Northerns out of the picture and there's really no good second choice for a favorite streamlined.

[passengerfan]

What about the CPR 4-4-4 Jubilee's and the big CPR 2-10-4 Selkirks and dont forget the 4-6-4 Royal Hudsons and what about those NYC J class streamlined 4-6-4 pulling the twentieth Century limited.

[CShaveRR]

I'd disappoint too many people if I didn't put in a plug for the C&O's streamlined 4-6-4s.

[Anonymous]

The Pennsylvania RR's T-1....Loewy outdid himself with that one

[coalminer3]

New Haven I-5.

work safe

[AggroJones]

Espee AC-9. Almost a streamliner.

[choochin3]

My vote is for the B&O streamlined pacifics used to pull the Cincinatian.

Cheers,
Carl T.

[Anonymous]

The three T&NO P-14's mentioned above by espeefoamer (650-652) were absolutely beautiful, largely ignored in light of their bigger and more photographed GS cousins out west, quite underrated and very, very fast. They handled the Sunbeam (13/14) and Hustler (15/16) double daily 265 miles each way from 1937-1953 (652) and 1954 (650, 651) with 13/14 averaging 60 mph on a two-conditional-stop schedule that was advertised as nonstop from the get-go. Not too shabby for three home-rebuilt locomotives originally constructed in 1913. They were nowhere near ready for the torch mechanically when T&NO replaced them with PA1s and sold them for scrap. The DAL-HOU trip on 13/14 was carded for 4:25 and there are near-legendary tales of the P-14s making up 2 hours (!!) on the trip on more than one occasion on T&NO's HOU-DAL racetrack before D J Russell decided to gut TNO pax service in the early 1950's. They also outlasted both the Sam Houston Zephyr's and Texas Rocket's original Diesel equipment, and the 3-mile race out of DAL Union Station between #14 and the SB SHZ every afternoon was a well-known north Texas attraction tantamount to the Englewood Derby between NYC and PRR that happened at about the same time of day. It was rare that the P-14 didn't beat the Diesel. And they thought the T&NO was a wooden-axle operation........

The Katy Pacifics were kept so spotlessly clean and had such clean lines that they could also be de-facto streamliners, as could some of the non-streamlined (conventional) B&O locomotives like the Lord Baltimore (very British looking).

[blade]

santa fe's super chief.

[M636C]

New South Wales Pacifics 3801 to 3805.

Like a smaller New Haven I-5 but painted bright green with yellow stripes, and later gloss black with red stripes.

AND there is still one in running order and seen frequently in service.

Peter

[daveklepper]

I knew about the one steamlined K4, like the S-1, with similar streamlining, a Raymond Loewy design, discussed in the special Streamliner issue of CLASSIC TRAINS. I actually saw that locomotive several times at Hungerford's pageant at the 1939 and 1940 New York World's Fare. (Proof that I am 73.) It and a 20th Century streamlined J3 were nose-to-nose as the opening curtain for the pageant. But look at good photos of the New Haven I-5. If you like the N&W J and the SP Daylights, you'll like the I-5.

I was told they were removed from service early in the Post WW-II dieslization era because the welded boilers were showing signs of cracking, and not because of any wheel balancing problems as reported in TRAINS.

I late August 1949 I rode the Yankee Clipper from Boston to NY, and we had an I-5 on the point. The consist had the new 8600 series postwar coaches, but the parlors were the old green 12-wheel heavyweights, and I had a parlor seat with others returning from Camp Ironwood near Harrison, ME. We had ridden the B&M benind a diesel (E-7 I think) in an American Flyer from Portland, and used the Washington St. and Cambridge-Dorchester rapid transit lines to get from North to Sputh Station. The train ran on time, and don't remember which type of electric we had to Grand Central, but I think it was a box-cab, either EP-2, 2-6-2+2-6-2 or EP-3 4-6-6-4.

While at Camp Ironwood, I did get to see the Bridgeton and Harrison 2-ft gauge right of way with some ties still in place. This was on the stretch south of Bridgeton, near Long Lake, north of Saco Junction. Ages 16 and 17.

I never road behind the streamlined K-4 and rode behind a T-1 only once. Plenty of milage behind regular K-4's and one trip, Little Silver NJ to Princeton Jc., behind an E-6.

I agree the RF&P and ACL 4-8-4's were very good looking locomotives, non-streamlined. I rode behind them during WWII on the Havana Special to Charleston and to Wilson, NC. I like the non-streamlined J-1's, J-2's and J-3's of the Centrlal. But I thought the Lackawanna and Nickle Plate Hudsons were even better!

[agentatascadero]

The CP Royal Hudsons and Selkirks. The NYC "art deco" Hudsons. The Only streamlined articulated I know of, the SP 3800 2-8-8-4's. Not streamlined, bur sleek none the less, the SP 4-6-2 and 4-8-2 types fitted with skyline casings, I thought, than many of the competition. And please, spare me from the upsidedown bathtub look. In my youth, we had a 1951 Nash, one of the ugliest cars ever designed.

[BaltACD]

QUOTE: Originally posted by choochin3

My vote is for the B&O streamlined pacifics used to pull the Cincinatian.

Cheers,
Carl T.

Ditto that....I also much prefer the Cincinnatian streamlining as opposed to the version used on the 5304 on the Royal Blue Limited in the late 30's.