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CP train in flood waters

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Posted by ns145 on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:45 PM

CP conducted a major track raising project in the Quad Cities area during the floods back in 2019. 

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/15-cp-raises-track-to-get-around-iowa-flooding/

Must have worked, because I never heard anything about CPKC having to shutdown operations with this year's flooding.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:29 PM

Gramp

So if this is to be a mainline going forward, wouldn't this be a candidate for a track-raising party?

Depends a lot on how often such water levels are expected.  

Early in the video I noticed a traffic sign indicating that the tracks were right next to the road, with a road taking off to the right.  We've seen what happens in such situations where raising the tracks over time create an opportunity to high-center longer vehicles.  Also a consideration.

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Posted by Gramp on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 4:02 PM

So if this is to be a mainline going forward, wouldn't this be a candidate for a track-raising party?

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Posted by JayBee on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 2:01 PM

The daily track inspection would be made with a hyrailer. The water isn't flowing very hard like would be seen with flash flooding.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 11:17 AM

In all the official railroad documents I've seen, modern or back to the first diesel electrics, 3 inches is the maximum depth above the rail that's allowed.  I imagine even that is only done to avoid stranding a train in flood waters.  Once the water goes over the top of the rail they probably shut down the track.

High water in the Quad Cities and Muscatine areas is almost a yearly given.  It's more unusual not to have flooding of some sort in those areas. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 8:06 AM

CMStPnP
Sooo, how do they keep the water out from the grain cars?   I suspect that not all those seals are A1 Water tight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UEWRrrIz0

I don't know CPKC's rules for operating through water over top of the rail.

When I was working, CSX allowed movement with water at 2 inches above the top of the rail.  These rules are based on keeping water out of the traction motors.

While I haven't measured, it would appear that the bottom outlets on covered hoppers are in the order of four to six inches above the top of the rail.

At known locations with water issues MofW will inspect the conditions to determine if it is safe to operate trains.

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Posted by Perry Babin on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 2:55 AM

I'm sorry that I can't answer your question but I have another that would apply to this situation. Would the railroad send a hi-railer or some other vehicle over the flooded tracks to ensure that there were no washouts?

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CP train in flood waters
Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, May 23, 2023 12:02 AM

Sooo, how do they keep the water out from the grain cars?   I suspect that not all those seals are A1 Water tight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6UEWRrrIz0

 

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