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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:51 PM

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Too bad the NYW&B couldn't have held on for a few more years, it would have been worth its weight in gold during WW2, what with gas and rubber rationing.

Not sure if WWII would have saved it.  The electrified double track Putnam Division Yonkers Branch was abandoned in June 1943.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Wednesday, April 13, 2022 6:41 PM

What's going on with the Danbury Branch?

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, April 13, 2022 8:12 AM

The current issue of the "Danbury Branch'' seems to lay out a future, not so bright, a tale of how the change in those 'political winds' can change; and good ideas, at one time become ot so good at other times.... sort olf like wind shifts effect the eighbors and odors from the local sewage treatment plant.SighCrying

 

 


 

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, April 12, 2022 11:56 AM

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Too bad the NYW&B couldn't have held on for a few more years, it would have been worth its weight in gold during WW2, what with gas and rubber rationing.

And then been quickly finished off as soon as the war demobilization was over.

The direct problem I meant, in the context of the OP's observation, is that J.P.Morgan et al. spared no expense to build a modern electric railway (I see parallels with how the Virginian was constructed with Hell Hound Rogers' money) BUT thought it would be insanely clever to let IRT trains serve as the entire trip south into the NYC area.

No one riding from Westchester wants to be dumped on a ever-more-crowded, not very clean train making a plurality of stops.  Especially if they're well-heeled, like many who rode NYC or NH to get quickly into Lower Manhattan and only deal with the transit ride for a few blocks.

The overbuilding was reminiscent of all the work SIRT did in grade separation and the like -- it was to facilitate subway transit 'the other way', connecting through the rail Hyman's Hole to 'the general system of transit' near Bay Ridge.  That is the thing that would have made all the difference: note the different paradigm from Westchester, and why it matters more... don't forget the phrase about 'That and 50 cents will...'

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, April 12, 2022 11:42 AM

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Plenty of riders are likely to prefer a faster ride on the heavy rail; we learned some interesting things from the New York, Westchester and Boston experiment.

I imagine their ranks are thin on the ground now, but there were many at the time who mourned the passing of the NYW&B.  Crying

Too bad the NYW&B couldn't have held on for a few more years, it would have been worth its weight in gold during WW2, what with gas and rubber rationing.

But the "True Believers" are still out there.

http://nywbry.com/

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2022 11:23 AM

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...they will pay up or shut down based on their internal criteria...

And the political winds.  What's acceptable now might not be under a future administration.

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Posted by Overmod on Tuesday, April 12, 2022 8:28 AM

Plenty of riders are likely to prefer a faster ride on the heavy rail; we learned some interesting things from the New York, Westchester and Boston experiment.

I suspect Metrolink has many ways to 'up the game' with low-cost amenities and features not found on the light-rail cars, too.

I don't see the heavy-rail trains being taken off, although I suspect there could easily be off-peak service reductions if the traffic east of Pomona doesn't justify running existing consists.

Putting on my cynic's hat:  everything there is massively subsidized by the government in the first place: they will pay up or shut down based on their internal criteria, and if they see fit to retain the current schedule of trains, I expect they will.

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The Coming SoCal Rail Impossible
Posted by croteaudd on Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:05 AM

2025 will be the coming reality for the impossible … That is when the Los Angeles Metro light rail line from Los Angeles to Pomona via Pasadena is scheduled to be put in service.  It will meet Metrolink’s Los Angeles-Pomona-San Bernardino heavy rail line.  What is so bad about that?  Simply put, the new light rail line will have super cheap fares, while the older, present Metrolink line will have very high priced fares!  Even the most-simple mined person can see what will result!  Anyone have a miracle answer to the impossible?

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