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Penn Central in 1963?

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, March 17, 2022 8:20 AM

The Northumberland roundhouse was where the Pennsy steam collection was stored before it was donated to the state museum.

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Posted by rixflix on Thursday, March 17, 2022 7:37 AM

Historic Aerials shows roundhouse and turntable there in 1983 and gone in 1993. Also in the early sixties, Pennsy seemed to prefer running their Baldwins through Reading. We rarely saw any other power.

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Posted by Big Cat on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 7:13 PM

 

It's my understanding that the Pennsy's Lima fleet of center-cabs was still on the roster in 1963, primarily based in Ohio out of places like Columbus and Mingo Junction and used on jobs such as pushers for heavy coal trains.

Their sister Baldwin units were also still active and assigned to Pennsylvania locations like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh. 

As a kid, I remember seeing them come through Wheeling, WV on their way to Benwood on the "Mingo Run." They crossed a bridge into WV from Martins Ferry, OH. The tracks and bridge are gone now. Once in a while, they came down the WV side from Weirton, but mostly over the bridge.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:22 PM

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From the photo's caption: "in the circle". Possibly a backfilled turntable pit?

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I'm sure the turntable was still operational then and "in the circle" refers to the storage tracks radiating out from it.

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Posted by rixflix on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:39 PM

From the photo's caption: "in the circle". Possibly a backfilled turntable pit?

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:50 AM

From the caption on the photo, it appears that the picture was taken by the well-known William Volkmer, a Pennsy mechanical employee.  I know that he was assigned to Northumberland for awhile, so maybe the photo was taken there.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:02 AM

It's my understanding that the Pennsy's Lima fleet of center-cabs was still on the roster in 1963, primarily based in Ohio out of places like Columbus and Mingo Junction and used on jobs such as pushers for heavy coal trains.

Their sister Baldwin units were also still active and assigned to Pennsylvania locations like Philadelphia and Pittsburgh.

I believe the fleet of both models all went at the usual 15 year mark, departing the roster in the mid 1960's.

Only 10 Lima's were known to be off railroad rosters when 1963 rolled around (The New Haven's small fleet, scrapped with the engines and some other components repurposed for marine customers). Some of the survivors would've been stored no doubt, but the vast bulk of the fleet made it to at least the 15 year mark that was commonly viewed as retirement age for 1st gen diesels.

Not all were still rolling for their original owner though by 1963. Perhaps the most well known example was a TP&W Lima (A former demonstrator, iirc). She was sold in the late 1950's to a Chicago based company when the small Lima fleet was retired and sold for further use. During her second life, she worked a rotary dumper in Hammond Indiana, was painted in a special paint scheme designed by Howard Fogg, and carried a fictional railroad name on her flanks.

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:15 AM

Leo_Ames
although some funny things have escaped paint booths in the past unnoticed

There was a Pacific Great Eastern boxcar that roamed North America in the late Sixties with the reporting marks "PEG", I'll have to find a photo some day. 

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Posted by BEAUSABRE on Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:13 AM

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Hadn't PRR retired all those by the time of the Penn Central merger?

Remember, this is a photo from 1963, so the PENNSY (must be capped) may still have had the centercabs operational

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:30 PM

I'm more interested in the Lima centre-cab transfer diesel that's hiding in the background.  Hadn't PRR retired all those by the time of the Penn Central merger?

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 9:16 PM

The merger process was well underway at the time, although it would be several years before the final government approval happened. So my guess is that this was a prank by an employee that was aware of the merger proceedings (It seems rather unlikely to be a mistake, although some funny things have escaped paint booths in the past unnoticed). 

Judging by how unknown it is, it evidently didn't last very long before being corrected.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 8:59 PM

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A prank?

Barring "inside" information, that would be my guess.

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Penn Central in 1963?
Posted by BEAUSABRE on Tuesday, March 15, 2022 8:49 PM

https://imgur.com/rbY7WNL

Can anybody explain this? A prank?

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