I just spent the better part of two days within sight of the UP Spine Line in Northfield, Minnesota. I saw 11 trains during 34.6 hours (6 UP, 3 PGR, and 2 CP - 24 hour averages of 4 for UP, 2 for PGR, and 1 for CP). The traffic pattern was unusual. For example, I watched two southbound UP trains pass within 8 minutes during the early evening on October 19, then waited 12 more hours without any trains. Etc. One of the UP trains had a block of double stack containers - first time I've seen those in that location.
- Ed Kyle
A significant amount of traffic to and from the Twin Cities runs on the Omaha Road. You can also see blocks of doublestacks on trains using that line to Omaha.
There is directional running for some traffic to/from the Twin Cities. The old Omaha Road is used for some northbound traffic, the ex RI for southbound traffic. It's not absolute, you'll see trains going both ways on both lines.
The stack business to/from the Twin Cities just started a few months ago.
Jeff
You know, I never understood why Amtrak never considers this route for Passenger Service. It would be a very logical routing Twin Cities - Kansas City for passenger rail but is never mentioned by Amtrak. For that matter, niether is Ohmaha to Kansas City Service or KC to Tulsa, OK service.
The last passenger service on the Spine Line (the "Plainsman) was discontinued around 1969 or 1970. Like a lot of trains at that time, it was probably discontinued when the mail contract was cancelled.
CMStPnP You know, I never understood why Amtrak never considers this route for Passenger Service. It would be a very logical routing Twin Cities - Kansas City for passenger rail but is never mentioned by Amtrak. For that matter, niether is Ohmaha to Kansas City Service or KC to Tulsa, OK service.
Consider who now owns the route. At least the majority of it. No way are they going to allow a passenger train without a big fight.
jeffhergert There is directional running for some traffic to/from the Twin Cities. The old Omaha Road is used for some northbound traffic, the ex RI for southbound traffic. It's not absolute, you'll see trains going both ways on both lines. The stack business to/from the Twin Cities just started a few months ago. Jeff
I did see four southbound and two northbound Union Pacific trains during those 34.6 hours spanning most of two days. Two were really the same train - the S. St. Paul / Northfield Job, which ran south then returned north 1.5 hours later. It was led by what looked like four SD-40-2s. The other four trains were led by cab units. Three of those were giants. Only one of these went north. It was the only one with DPUs.
Re: Passenger Trains. Minnesota has studied the idea of Twin Cities/Northfield commuter trains on the former Minneapolis, Northfield, & Southern line that remains in use between Northfield and Lakeville, served by PGR. In addition to commuters, Northfield has two small colleges that could provide riders.
There's been talk for over 20 years of Amtrak needing another north-south route in the middle to western part of the country, that would intersect with all of Amtrak's east-west routes. A new "Rocket" going from the Twin Cities to Kansas City to Dallas/Ft.Worth and Houston would fit the bill.
wjstix A new "Rocket" going from the Twin Cities to Kansas City to Dallas/Ft.Worth and Houston would fit the bill.
Need to get your politicians on board, so to speak.
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For through trains, all things being equal - our new favorite phrase, there's one manifest that goes north on the old Omaha Road and one that goes north on the old RI Short Line. The one on the Omaha Road originates out of North Platte. The one using the Short Line originates in Texas.
Southward there's two manifests that go south on the Short Line. One goes to Des Moines, the other to North Platte. There's one that goes south on the Omaha Road as far as Butterfield, then swings over to Mason City, then south to Des Moines.
Grain and ethanol trains, both loads and empties, use either line depending where they are going to/coming from. There's still one coal train that has been using the Short Line both loaded and empty. For a while it was going via the Omaha Road.
Right now, South St. Paul is the originating/terminating yard for the Twin Cities. Valley Park currently doesn't originate/terminate any through freights. It has before and probably will do so again. Things seem to change every so often.
If Iowa would have to provide any financial support for a north/south passenger train, I don't see it happening for the forseeable future.
jeffhergert For through trains, all things being equal - our new favorite phrase, there's one manifest that goes north on the old Omaha Road and one that goes north on the old RI Short Line. The one on the Omaha Road originates out of North Platte. The one using the Short Line originates in Texas. Southward there's two manifests that go south on the Short Line. One goes to Des Moines, the other to North Platte. There's one that goes south on the Omaha Road as far as Butterfield, then swings over to Mason City, then south to Des Moines. Grain and ethanol trains, both loads and empties, use either line depending where they are going to/coming from. There's still one coal train that has been using the Short Line both loaded and empty. For a while it was going via the Omaha Road. Right now, South St. Paul is the originating/terminating yard for the Twin Cities. Valley Park currently doesn't originate/terminate any through freights. It has before and probably will do so again. Things seem to change every so often. If Iowa would have to provide any financial support for a north/south passenger train, I don't see it happening for the forseeable future. Jeff
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