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Significant increase in CP Oil trains through the TWIN CITIES from Canada

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Posted by MidlandMike on Tuesday, October 19, 2021 8:23 PM

CMStPnP

 

 
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CP can't force KCS to take the business, but as I said they can take business that is in their own intrest.

 

I'm a little curious here.   On what grounds can the KCS deny cars delivered by the CP for interchange?    I think they can reject the tariff (Which would be settled another way) but I am not sure they can reject the car itself.

 

My statement was in response to another poster saying "That's to prevent the companies to begin acting as one until after the formal merger approval." Since CP is still not in management control of KCS, they can't dictate terms of a run-thru movement involving both roads.  They can offer the deal to KCS, and KCS can still decide if it is in their best interest, vs., negotiate a better deal for themselves.  I did not mean to infer that they would outright reject the traffic, although I guess any railroad could demand such a high tariff as to discourage the business.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, October 19, 2021 1:11 PM

MidlandMike
CP can't force KCS to take the business, but as I said they can take business that is in their own intrest.

I'm a little curious here.   On what grounds can the KCS deny cars delivered by the CP for interchange?    I think they can reject the tariff (Which would be settled another way) but I am not sure they can reject the car itself.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, October 18, 2021 9:10 PM

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MidlandMike wrote the following post 20 minutes ago: traisessive1 Post merger? There is no merger yet.    Part of the price paid to buy KCS was in CP stock, so it's in KCS stockholders interest to support CP.

 

True, but isn't that why KCS would need to be put into a voting trust before its shareholders get paid?  That's to prevent the companies to begin acting as one until after the formal merger approval.

 

CP can't force KCS to take the business, but as I said they can take business that is in their own intrest.

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Posted by Ajsik on Monday, October 18, 2021 10:44 AM

MidlandMike
MidlandMike wrote the following post 20 minutes ago: traisessive1 Post merger? There is no merger yet.    Part of the price paid to buy KCS was in CP stock, so it's in KCS stockholders interest to support CP.

True, but isn't that why KCS would need to be put into a voting trust before its shareholders get paid?  That's to prevent the companies to begin acting as one until after the formal merger approval.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, October 18, 2021 10:23 AM

traisessive1

Post merger? There is no merger yet. 

 

Part of the price paid to buy KCS was in CP stock, so it's in KCS stockholders interest to support CP.

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Posted by traisessive1 on Monday, October 18, 2021 9:46 AM

Post merger? There is no merger yet. 

10000 feet and no dynamics? Today is going to be a good day ... 

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Significant increase in CP Oil trains through the TWIN CITIES from Canada
Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, October 18, 2021 12:04 AM

I kind of suspected this would happen post merger as did some of you.....

My guess since they are bound for KCS they will use the Missisippi River line all the way to Iowa vs using the line via Milwaukee, just a guess though.   Have no idea on line capacities or which line is faster.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-oil-trains-run-minnesota-220000667.html

 

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