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Nothing New Under The Sun.. Will This Time Be Different? Norfolk Southern and Expedited LCL ....

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Nothing New Under The Sun.. Will This Time Be Different? Norfolk Southern and Expedited LCL ....
Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:27 PM
 

Here it is. NS is currently experimenting with expedited LCL serivce using boxcars?... The current lane is Chicago-Atlanta-Miami.. The boxcars get loaded at a cross dock operated by NS Thoroughbred Direct Services. From there they ride on the headend of IM trains.. This will be something to watch! NS good luck!

https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/norfolk-southern-launches-expedited-less-than-carload-service/

 
 
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, July 15, 2021 1:56 PM

NS seems to be approaching LCL slightly differently than the past.  The hub points are limited and for now the shipper doesn't have a multiplicity of routes from which to choose.  I would assume that the truck pickup and delivery is included in the rate.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, July 15, 2021 2:33 PM

This could work out well for certain products that weigh out long before they cube out.  Think drywall, finished wood products, or even kitty litter.

Who would have thought that you could run regular freight cars on an intermodal train without the world exploding [/sarcasm].

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, July 15, 2021 3:02 PM

SD70Dude
This could work out well for certain products that weigh out long before they cube out.  Think drywall, finished wood products, or even kitty litter.

I'll opine that it's the other way around.  A boxcar can have a lot more cubic capacity than a highway trailer.  So it's better suited to low density frieght.  But it can well handle all freight in intermodal service.  

This sure is nice to see.  I especially like the comment: “If you’re not failing, you’re not trying,”.   If you insist on a 100% success rate you'll never try anything.

 
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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, July 15, 2021 3:11 PM

This a great idea. 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, July 15, 2021 3:37 PM

greyhounds

This sure is nice to see.  I especially like the comment: “If you’re not failing, you’re not trying,”.   If you insist on a 100% success rate you'll never try anything.

I agree.  Failure at a railroad has usually meant marginalization or dismissal.  

Just because you don't hit a home run on every single at-bat doesn't mean you aren't winning games.  

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, July 15, 2021 8:07 PM

I wonder what are the details of the of the last mile truck leg?  Does NS partner with express companies?  A Chicago company sending express to hundreds of cities is probably not going to remember that shipments can go to just two select cities by Norfolk Southern.

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Posted by greyhounds on Thursday, July 15, 2021 10:09 PM

MidlandMike
I wonder what are the details of the of the last mile truck leg?  Does NS partner with express companies?  A Chicago company sending express to hundreds of cities is probably not going to remember that shipments can go to just two select cities by Norfolk Southern.

It's not express, it's freight.  If NS saves them decent money, they'll remember.

 

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Posted by Gramp on Thursday, July 15, 2021 11:16 PM

Good news!  I hope they serve their customers well. 

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Posted by MP173 on Friday, July 16, 2021 9:32 AM

As a former LTL traffic and sales guy, I think this is a great idea.  The key will be to develop relationships with local LTL carriers to provide not only PU/DEL but also the marketing aspect in those local markets.

For instance, in Chicago there are a number of local logistics companies which provide a variety of services...LTL, TL, brokerage, partial TL, dedicated, etc.  These carriers need to be incentivized to not only pickup and deliver the LTL freight but also find customers in which the lanes will work.  Often the routing is open for the carrier to just simply get the freight to the destination.

This could be a nice movement for the rails...but they cannot give up in 3 months.  This will take considerable time.  

 

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Posted by ronrunner on Friday, July 16, 2021 11:13 AM

So how do I send a pallet of my stuff to Miami on this train?

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, July 16, 2021 4:04 PM

ronrunner
So how do I send a pallet of my stuff to Miami on this train?

http://www.nscorp.com/content/nscorp/en/shipping-tools.html

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Posted by jeffhergert on Saturday, July 17, 2021 2:36 PM

Overmod

 

 
ronrunner
So how do I send a pallet of my stuff to Miami on this train?

 

http://www.nscorp.com/content/nscorp/en/shipping-tools.html

 

 

I think this link would be better for LTL services.

Thoroughbred Freight Transfer/LTL | Thoroughbred Direct Intermodal Services (ns-direct.com)

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 17, 2021 6:03 PM

By Jove, I think you're right!

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Monday, July 19, 2021 9:23 AM
 

New insulated boxcar on the market for food transport 

https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/north-america-rail/boxcars/68-6-insulated-boxcar/

 
 
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Posted by RKFarms on Monday, July 19, 2021 6:02 PM

As one who sees the remaining Roadrailer trains go through my home area, could these be used in a similar way by arranging the train with first on-last off flexibility to drop off a set of trailers at specified destinations? As far as I know, nothing like that is done. It would have been a lot easier with the old trailers that had the railroad wheels as part of the chassis but maybe still possible. 

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Posted by jeffhergert on Monday, July 19, 2021 10:12 PM

SD60MAC9500
 

New insulated boxcar on the market for food transport 

https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/north-america-rail/boxcars/68-6-insulated-boxcar/

 
 
 

One the items in the description is a diesel powered refrigeration unit.

Sounds like a reefer to me.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Tuesday, July 20, 2021 7:35 AM
 

jeffhergert

 

 
SD60MAC9500
 

New insulated boxcar on the market for food transport 

https://www.gbrx.com/manufacturing/north-america-rail/boxcars/68-6-insulated-boxcar/

 
 
 

 

 

One the items in the description is a diesel powered refrigeration unit.

Sounds like a reefer to me.

Jeff

 

That's a typo. Just a copy and paste of the description from their reefer unit without editing.

Here's diagrams of the insulated boxcar at the top with the reefer at the bottom.

insulated_boxcar_68.jpg

na-box-cars-72ft-3-refrigerated-boxcar-drawing-a.jpg

 
 
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Posted by dmikee on Tuesday, July 27, 2021 2:06 AM
Is this really different than old time Railway Express?
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Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, July 27, 2021 4:16 PM

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Is this really different than old time Railway Express?

Yes, it is.  Express was handled on passenger trains.  LCL was handled on freight trains.  This is freight, not express. There is a difference.

The railroads were largely driven out of the LCL business by inane government regulation.

 

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