Rock Island line timeline

[SFbrkmn]

Thanks for the leads and help but as Mud said, I now have enough on what is being sought and will go from there.

[mudchicken]

Overmod's Wayback Machine suggestion bore fruit:

Rock Island's Family Tree - Page 4 (archive.org)

Brakie ought to be able to fish out what he needs from here.

[Erik_Mag]

Covad.net??? That's an entity that's likely been through a few owners. IIRC, Covad was the outfit that provisioned my Speakeasy.net DSL service, both ended up as part of Megapath, but then part of that was sold off to Global Capacity. Who knows who is in charge of Covad.net.

[mudchicken]

Overmod:

 

Rock Island Chronology (Lost)

Rock Island Family Tree -Page 1     (of 9 such pages)

 home.covad.net/~scicoatnsew/rihist1.htm 

Rock Island Family Tree -Page 3     (of 9 such pages)

 home.covad.net/~scicoatnsew/rihist3.htm#6_2-3_1880

Fans of The Rice Index would love to know where this went:

rnetzlof.pennsyrr.com

[samfp1943]

SF Brkmn:   The e-mail address lised by Overmod  is most probably, an access point at their big museum and archves in Topeka(?) . Of course,they have a tremendous [ and prettywell accessible] quantity of hstorical AT&SF documentation, gifted to them, by parties, in the aftermath of the AT&SF's corporate 'break-up'(?)] .   The Museums' opent to the public, and the liberarians all seemed to be helpful and knowledgable. WE found our trips there to have been not only interesting ( in the 'full-sized' exhibits area, but also, in the library and its' annex.)

 

[Overmod]

mudchicken

There had been a beautiful web-based 9-section chronology of the Rock by decade that unfortunately disappeared almost overnight six years ago. Wish somebody had picked-up or stored that Kansas Based research effort. (KansasMemory.org)

Is it possible that it's still there but moved or renamed?

https://www.kansasmemory.org/mobile/browse.php

It is also possible that someone who remembers how the sections were named could find them archived on the Wayback Machine...

 

[SFbrkmn]

I do know the line built here through Wichita in 1887 arriving that July. Rock became the last of the four major carriers into town.

[mudchicken]

You really need to look at the ICC Valuation Docket and ICC General Order 20 (GO-20) to see how the CRIP Frankenstein Monster pieced together. It doesn't go together like you would expect and terminii get a little weird. Until Jeff exhumes the 1922 book, this (from GO-20) goes something like:

St Joseph- Topeka    CK&N 1886-87 (Chicago,Kansas & Nebraska)

Topeka Herrington    CK&N 1887

Herrington-Abilene    CK&N 1887

Wichita-Ft Worth       CRI&T 1892 (Chicago, Rock Island & Texas)

Fort Worth-Dallas      CRI&T 1903

El Reno-OKC             CC&R  1892 (Choctaw Coal & Railway)

Enid-Ponca City         E&A  1890 (Enid & Anadarko RR)

Anadarko-Waurika     E&A  1901

There had been a beautiful web-based 9-section chronology of the Rock by decade that unfortunately disappeared almost overnight six years ago. Wish somebody had picked-up or stored that Kansas Based research effort. (KansasMemory.org)

 

You can find part of the CRIP chronology filed as part of GO-20 in ICC Valuation Docket #152 (24 - Val. Rep- 709) and Valuation Docket 1199 (47-val rep-230) in the bound volumes of the ICC...

A partially transcribed version appears here:

https://www.labellemodels.com/manuals/Chicago, Rock Island & Pacific.pdf    

I suspect Jeff's book cleaned-up some of the gaffes that got into the initial CRIP GO-20 & GO-26 submitted to the ICC. (Not nearly as bad as the screwed-up mess that was Wabash, but still inferior to the submittals of ATSF, CB&Q, UP, MP, DRGW and CNW in the midwest.)

 

[jeffhergert]

Rock Island Lines Historical Overview (archive.org)

Most of the construction dates your looking for are in the 1883 to 1892 period.  It lists Horton KS (about 40/45 miles west of St. Joseph) to Liberal and then the southward line out of Herington to Caldwell, then on to El Reno.

Somewhere packed away I have a copy of the reprinted 1922 (70th anniversary) Rock Island history.  It has a more detailed listing of various dates for construction.

Jeff 

[SFbrkmn]

Trying to formation dates of Rock Island tracks in the 1800s that in 1980 & 1982 became the Oklahoma, Kansas & Texas. Regions were:

St.Joesph-Topeka, Topeka-Herington, Herington-Abilene, Wicihita-Ft.Worth, Ft.Worth-Dallas, El Reno-Oklcit, Enid-Ponca City, Anadarko-Waurika.    

Just date information when these lines opened, and under what formation company are being sought. This is for a book on the OKT that I am working on w/publisher.