timz Fred M Cain Not sure if tunnels on the Siskiyou Line would clear TOFC Not in SP days, and presumably not now. (Dunno if the tunnels were actually big enough for TOFC, but SP said not.)
Fred M Cain Not sure if tunnels on the Siskiyou Line would clear TOFC
Not in SP days, and presumably not now. (Dunno if the tunnels were actually big enough for TOFC, but SP said not.)
I believe 17 foot 3 inches is the required clearance for TOFC. Needless to say single stack containers are well under 17'3". I believe double stack Sea boxes are 19'2" and double stack Domestic boxes are 20'2".
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Fred M CainNot sure if tunnels on the Siskiyou Line would clear TOFC
"Yoho",
In the first article from the URL you cited, it did mention that there had been detours. So, did the U.P. detour any trains over the Siskiyou line (i.e. CORP)?
I don't think they could use that line for high/wide loads but perhaps general manifest trains could use it. Not sure if tunnels on the Siskiyou Line would clear TOFC but I'm certain that they would not clear double stacks.
It is out of date, trains are moving. That September 1st date was from Weeks ago.
https://www.up.com/customers/announcements/customernews/generalannouncements/CN2021-49.html
https://krcrtv.com/news/local/fire-damaged-dry-canyon-bridge-reopens-after-the-lava-fire
Looks like feather river reopened as well despite the fact that the Dixie fire is still destroying forest and towns north of there. Suspect inside gateway may still be closed.
Which is all good given the Risk to Donner from the River fire.
Looks like
YoHo1975Apparently they just reopened the bridge a month earlier than scheduled. I just saw my first train coming down the valley sub. UP had sceduled 2 trains to go up CORP. They got delayed, because the Wye at weed was damaged due to fire staging activities that were happening there. NAtron was open and so they just started using the regular route. Presumably Coast Starlight has resumed or will soon.
Fred, go here:
https://goo.gl/maps/yNezoDqwPjWn1Pny7
If your browser accepts the link properly, it will take you directly to a close-up view of Dry Canyon Bridge. Then zoom your view outward to see where it is in relation to everything else.
Where was this exactly? Was it on the Cascade/Klamath Falls line or the Siskiyou Line. Looking at the inciweb map it appears to have been just north of Weed on the Klamath Falls line but I can't be sure.
However, if that was the case, was anything detoured over the Siskiyou Line?
The torrential rain is Utah would sure be needed in Northern California, Oregon, and BC, and Saskatchewan right now.
That being said, since UP's Los Angeles-Salt Lake City route is now out of a commision, does that mean some trains, such as the M-NPWC and its counterpart would use the Golden State Route and the Sunset Route to get to Los Angeles?
UP update
UP: Union Pacific’s Fire Car Fleet Provided Critical Assist in Lava Fire
MidlandMike UP's detour route thru Salt Lake is also out of commission now with flooding washout in southern Utah: https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/flooding-shuts-down-union-pacific-line-in-utah/
UP's detour route thru Salt Lake is also out of commission now with flooding washout in southern Utah:
https://www.trains.com/trn/news-reviews/news-wire/flooding-shuts-down-union-pacific-line-in-utah/
So with the LAX <> Salt Lake out of service traffic will have to go LAX to Sacremento to Salt Lake to Portland then on. UP may have to use some trains on the coast route. CREWS are going to be a problem. Call back furloughs on operating routes and transfer any laid offs that are qualified onto working routes.
If you're talking about Dry Canyon Viaduct, UP has already removed one or more spans from the top of the bridge, with at least one more visibly warped span near the middle waiting for removal. Portions of the support towers were also damaged and will need to be replaced. Perhaps not visible in the photos you've seen, but the terrain beneath the bridge and south of the bridge has been scorched, leaving dozens (if not hundreds) of trees that may eventually be candidates for selective logging. Which could prove helpful in restoring some of the viewpoints that used to provide good photographic angles of the bridge.
Recent statement from UP:
https://www.up.com/customers/announcements/customernews/generalannouncements/CN2021-44.html
Streak, I see you have your hopes up but the bridge itself is not damaged. The fire didn't even burn the ties completely, only the ends. Look at the first pic in your second link. There is no steel or concrete work evident. No testing. LOOK at the picture. The fire didn't even burn the needles on the trees. At that point just a grass/brush fire. Very little of that structure got too hot to touch.
The statement by UP of September to restore service brings up some thoughts.
1. Did the fire damage some of the tressel's concrete pilings ? If so will UP replace same ? ON The present bridge SP may have used concrete of that era that may be replaced by 2021 concrete ?
2. Will any of the present steel be used. If so is there enough non destructive testing available to certify same ?
3. Where will UP get the replacement steel that will meet specs ? Deliveries might be tight ?/
4. How much work by engineering department needed.? did it have to pull out old blueprints or microfitch ? Will UP digitize those plans and update them where necessary ?
5. What was the cooper rating of the present bridge and will UP increase that rating ? On that thought was 4014 allowed over the destroyed bridge and be allowed on the new bridge?
6. What if any federal inspections of design and construction be needed for restoring service ?
7. Track damage was also cited. Does that include signal bungalows and can UP steal same from other locations under construction ? A lot of the inards are site spefic.
8. What about the satelite services ? Any destroyed and can the carrier supply new units?
9. How about load testing ? I could see an unmaned DPU unit pulling a string of old heavy locos across the bridge as a test . That at various speeds up to 1-1/2 - 2 times max authorized speed, Needed instruments will be placed on new bridge.
Corections additions needed and expected. Will edit this post when same acquired.
Wonder if UP will have drone pictures / videos of the work from start to finish,?
There's a second fire further northeast along 97 as well. Smaller and also 70%+ contained.
There were storms through the area at the time. The fire started well away from the Natron Cutoff, so not likely railroad related. In fact, they thought they had the fire under control then the wind shifted.
unrelated to railroading, but the pictures of the fire burning up the side of Shasta are fascinating.
Fire is currently at 72% contained which is good. I was honestly worried it would blow up and put Weed and Mt. Shasta City at risk (and CORP for that matter.
rrnut282 Overmod, mudchicken, Did anyone witness said lightning or are they just assuming? Afterall, no one actually saw hot cinders fall from the D&S locomotive to start a fire and that didn't stop the Fire Svc. from suing. What's good for the goose, should be good for the gander, right?
Overmod, mudchicken,
Did anyone witness said lightning or are they just assuming? Afterall, no one actually saw hot cinders fall from the D&S locomotive to start a fire and that didn't stop the Fire Svc. from suing. What's good for the goose, should be good for the gander, right?
Brake shoe sparks have started wildfires. Diesel exhaust sparks have started wildfires. If USFS says lightning, why are you pushing it?
Lytton is gone. Nothing left but street signs and chimneys.
CN 355 (Prince George to Vancouver manifest) had a loaded lumber car on fire. It caused damage to the bridge deck at Martinson, near Boston Bar. It is not clear yet if the two are related to each other, and it is possible that sparks from the Lytton fire landed on the lumber car and set it ablaze.
Local politicians have been quick to blame the railway, but the cause is still officially under investigation.
CN has two major bridges right at Lytton, across both the Fraser and Thompson rivers. The creosoted timber deck has been destroyed on at least one of them. The CP line also runs right through Lytton, and traffic on both railways is at a standstill.
This area is part of the directional running zone where the railways share track, westbounds normally run on CN and eastbounds on CP. Many sidings have been removed and none are long, so even if one line were to reopen only a fraction of the traffic could be run, with big delays.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
It is actually the Fraser River, not Frazier. It is named after Simon Fraser, an early explorer who was the first to reach the Pacific coast using the river. The difficulties and dangers he faced meant few followed!
Both CN and CP (and the town) are on the south side of the River in that area so probably both railway lines are affected. And since it is the directional running zone, both railways will have to cope with any damage. The CNR has two major bridges. On the east side of town CN crosses the Thompson River, and to the west crosses the Fraser River to hop back to the north side. Lytton is where the two rivers join. It remains to be seen whether the bridge ties caught fire on either bridge.
John
Major fire in British Columbia affecting the CN side of the paired track along the Frazier River. It is reported that the bridge across the river has a lumber car on it with the load on fire. The westbound Canadian is being held at Kamloops. Reportedly the town of Lytton is being burned to the ground.
Lytton Fire Video 1
It's steel structure, no pile driver needed.
Overmod rrnut282 Can the railroad sue the US Forest Svc? Apparently lightning-caused, so no.
rrnut282 Can the railroad sue the US Forest Svc?
Apparently lightning-caused, so no.
Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account.