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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, May 20, 2021 3:32 PM

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Lithonia Operator
Don't assume that if you're logged in here that the magazine site "knows" that. 

Because you won't be... and it won't "know". 

 

The two logins use the same name and password, and I suspect use the same back-end verification mechanism (if you're banned from one you're banned from any).  But they use very different methods to track actual logins.

 

That is a reason why you have to do what looks like "signing in again" when commenting on blogs.  And probably why some attempts to 'sign out' don't completely work.

 

All this is supposed to be one of the things fixed when 'stage 3' of the planned site revisions gets done.

I won't live long enough to see 'Trains' get the fix in!

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, May 20, 2021 9:39 AM

Lithonia Operator
Don't assume that if you're logged in here that the magazine site "knows" that.

Because you won't be... and it won't "know".

The two logins use the same name and password, and I suspect use the same back-end verification mechanism (if you're banned from one you're banned from any).  But they use very different methods to track actual logins.

That is a reason why you have to do what looks like "signing in again" when commenting on blogs.  And probably why some attempts to 'sign out' don't completely work.

All this is supposed to be one of the things fixed when 'stage 3' of the planned site revisions gets done.

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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Wednesday, May 19, 2021 10:49 PM

I subscribe to the magazine. So, if I'm logged in, I can read as many Newswire articles as I want to.

Now, even though I stay logged in to this forum, I can't seem to stay logged in to the magazine. Which I find odd.

Electro, maybe you just have to log in. Don't assume that if you're logged in here that the magazine site "knows" that.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, May 17, 2021 10:29 PM

I experinced the same "BUG". Or as I think it could be MARKETING OVERLOAD. I don't want the super Duper UNLIMITED access. I just want the TRAINS Newswire. I have been a subscriber since 1942 via my father and my own after leaving home. He missed the first months of 1941. We lived in Milwaukee back then and when we moved to Cincinnati in '43. he moved the issues he had and kept them all until he died in the late 1990's. I moved them to Illinois after mom died. A loyal subscriber that is not happy with the handling of the "UPGRADE". 

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Posted by motor on Monday, May 17, 2021 8:35 PM

The haves and the have nots amongst Trains subscribers...

Apparently Trains subscribers who don't pay for unlimted access (I just renewed Trains Sad but have never had unlimited access as I don't have much need to access the archives) face a paywall with certain News Wire articles now.  Like today (05.17.2021) under "Digest: Evacuation continues near Sibley, Iowa, derailment".  I wanted to read one of the supporting articles (about the soon-to-be-built rail park in Winnipeg) but was confronted with 

Unlimited Membership required to continue reading or watching

I'm not interested in a free trial.  My work schedule would leave me with little time and energy to take full advantage.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:52 PM

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Clearing cookies helped for a few weeks (No more invalid credentials when attempting to log-in), but now I just got this.

"You have reached your limit of 8 articles this month."

I really don't see renewing at the end of this year. The latest issue of Trains as I flipped through it looked like I could read it in 10 minutes since it was so flimsy (I won't judge the content since I have yet to spend those 10 minutes reading it). And apparently Kalmbach isn't going to fix their website. 

It hasn't worked 'properly' for the 17 years+ I have been participating - so why start now.

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Friday, May 7, 2021 9:47 PM

Clearing cookies helped for a few weeks (No more invalid credentials when attempting to log-in), but now I just got this.

"You have reached your limit of 8 articles this month."

I really don't see renewing at the end of this year. The latest issue of Trains as I flipped through it looked like I could read it in 10 minutes since it was so flimsy (I won't judge the content since I have yet to spend those 10 minutes reading it). And apparently Kalmbach isn't going to fix their website. 

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Sunday, April 18, 2021 7:35 PM

Boils down to using http: instead of https:

Paid a bit of attention when logging on a few minutes ago, the https: is preserved until clicking on a thread, which just gives URL minus the preceding http(s)://. Loos like setting up the browser for https only would take care of that problem.

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 8:20 PM

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I'm seeing the lock with a red slash through it with the forums (Firefox), hovering the mouse pointer over the lock symbol brings up bubble "connection not secure".

 

 

That means the website does not have the SSL certificate, an encrypted connection.  If you are sending information like credit card numbers, private information, etc., then a site would most likely have the certificate, and would begin with https.

On a forum like this, with no private information being transmitted, the https is not necessary.  It is using http.  Your browser will warn you that it is not secure, so you should not be providing bank numbers, credit card #s, etc.

It does not mean that the site is dangerous or unsafe.

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Posted by Erik_Mag on Saturday, April 17, 2021 6:34 PM

I'm seeing the lock with a red slash through it with the forums (Firefox), hovering the mouse pointer over the lock symbol brings up bubble "connection not secure".

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Posted by York1 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 6:25 PM

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I understand what you are saying, but that is not my point. Http and https are indeed in use on the internet in general, but the Trains forum webpage is not using either of them.

 

The website is using them.  They just don't appear there.

Here is what you see:

 

Here is the actual link, copied and pasted from this forum:

http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/286947.aspx?page=5#3332555

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 17, 2021 6:10 PM

blue streak 1
Look what I dug up in old emails from Kalmbach.

 

  • Hi, blue streak 1:

    Thanks for your note. It was my understanding that the forum experience would not change. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am working with our online department to address your issues listed above. 

    Thank you for your patience.

    Ang


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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 5:48 PM

Look what I dug up in old emails from Kalmbach.

 

  • Hi, blue streak 1:

    Thanks for your note. It was my understanding that the forum experience would not change. I apologize for the inconvenience. I am working with our online department to address your issues listed above. 

    Thank you for your patience.

    Ang


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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 17, 2021 6:18 AM

blue streak 1
Tried to reply to another thread.  Got a 403  forbidden.  Went to another post on same thread and reply worked  ..  ?? Explain that one ???

I have seen that one several times in the past.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, April 17, 2021 2:01 AM

Tried to reply to another thread.  Got a 403  forbidden.  Went to another post on same thread and reply worked  ..  ?? Explain that one ???

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 15, 2021 11:04 AM

Actually, in Chrome, if you right click on the url in the box, you can toggle the full address.  You are right, the forum is http, while the full site is https.  I rarely visit other portions of the site, so I don't worry about it.

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Posted by FanOfTheRail on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:38 AM

tree68

 

 
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but they aren't using http. At this point, most search engines even hide the http or https. I looked, though, and there is no http, the only domain prefix is 'cs'. Also, when will the 'new forum experience' be put into use? 

 

http and https are still very much in use.  As you note, they're often hidden, but if you type in a website and include the http, it'll take you there.  Kind of like the "1" at the beginning of a long distance phone number.

 

I understand what you are saying, but that is not my point. Http and https are indeed in use on the internet in general, but the Trains forum webpage is not using either of them. The Trains.com home webpages are using https, but the forum page is unsecured, I'm pretty sure. Double-click on the address bar, and you won't see either of them appear before the domain. Go to the Trains homepage and double-click, you will see 'https' appear before the domain. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:26 AM

FanOfTheRail
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they aren't using http. At this point, most search engines even hide the http or https. I looked, though, and there is no http, the only domain prefix is 'cs'. Also, when will the 'new forum experience' be put into use? 

http and https are still very much in use.  As you note, they're often hidden, but if you type in a website and include the http, it'll take you there.  Kind of like the "1" at the beginning of a long distance phone number.

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Posted by FanOfTheRail on Thursday, April 15, 2021 10:22 AM

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Browsers even tell you specifically not to enter passwords on unsecure sites, so why is this website not secure?  

 

The 'not secure' is related to still using "http://" rather than "https://" in the link Kalmbach uses to connect.  I expect this to be updated when the 'new Forum experience' gets here, but not before.  It doesn't mean there is actual malicious exposure via malformed ads or whatever -- just that the secure hypertext-transfer protocol isn't being used.

 

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they aren't using http. At this point, most search engines even hide the http or https. I looked, though, and there is no http, the only domain prefix is 'cs'. Also, when will the 'new forum experience' be put into use? 

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:46 AM

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Browsers even tell you specifically not to enter passwords on unsecure sites, so why is this website not secure?  

The 'not secure' is related to still using "http://" rather than "https://" in the link Kalmbach uses to connect.  I expect this to be updated when the 'new Forum experience' gets here, but not before.  It doesn't mean there is actual malicious exposure via malformed ads or whatever -- just that the secure hypertext-transfer protocol isn't being used.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:33 AM

If I try linking to a Trains Magazine reference directly from a Google search it gives me the big red 'you've exceeded your 8 article limit' immediately... even though I haven't read any articles via trains.com or accessed any Kalmbach feature but these forums.  I think it may be possible to figure out where the glitches in changing their access-control system might be by looking at the way thinks keep breaking...

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Posted by FanOfTheRail on Thursday, April 15, 2021 9:00 AM

Something else, why isn't this website secure? Ever since they started showing ads on the website, the page says 'not secure'. I am concerned about this because if someone were to hack into your account, they would gain access to your e-mail address and possibly post inaproppriate/irrelevant content and get your account terminated. I apologize that this post isn't about railroading, but every single forum member could be at risk with this unsecured connection. Browsers even tell you specifically not to enter passwords on unsecure sites, so why is this website not secure?  

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Posted by Juniata Man on Tuesday, April 13, 2021 9:08 AM

I'm having the same exact issue and it is growing tiresome.

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I got stopped again by the 8 article limit.  I cleared my cookies this time and after signing back in, got to look at NewsWire again.  But there were a lot of NewsWire articles today, and after 8 articles got stopped again, and had to log in again.  Are we going to have to sign in after every 8 articles?

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, April 12, 2021 9:14 PM

I got stopped again by the 8 article limit.  I cleared my cookies this time and after signing back in, got to look at NewsWire again.  But there were a lot of NewsWire articles today, and after 8 articles got stopped again, and had to log in again.  Are we going to have to sign in after every 8 articles?

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:43 PM

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Is that a developer problem, or a browser problem?

The point is that it is both their problem until it can be resolved.  The problem is usually a bit less simple: who's going to pay to get the problem resolved.  But it can certainly be insistence that each admit the other's system caused the 'break' and, like train meets in Texas, 'each shall not proceed until the other have gone.'

The issue with Firefox and the forum software security updates is a very good example of the issue.  I am assuming they will resolve this in stage 3, but it is not as simple an issue as it looks (or would be to resolve with small but critical decreases in Internet security...)

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Posted by Sara T on Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:40 PM

Note April 2021: in view of recent developments, for my own safety I replace my picture that showed myself with this one avatar picture. 

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Posted by Overmod on Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:37 PM

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, April 11, 2021 2:17 PM

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Sara:  Next time you start the sequence to get to the forum you want; once you get to that forum, click the "Save URL" icon in the browser to add it to your "Favorites".

I have dozens of sites in my bookmarks.  The most used are across the top of the screen - mail, Trains, both Deshler YouTube cameras, several others.  Others are listed under "other bookmarks."  In fact, I created one folder within that folder for my on-line bill accounts.  Makes life so much easier.

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