Backshop MidlandMike Not really a photo location, but I always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge. The first time that I went to Pittsburgh when I was about 12, I saw a SB ore train with 3 SD38s on the bridge. I've been there many times in the past almost 50 years and I've never seen another. Must've been beginners luck.
MidlandMike Not really a photo location, but I always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge.
Not really a photo location, but I always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge.
The first time that I went to Pittsburgh when I was about 12, I saw a SB ore train with 3 SD38s on the bridge. I've been there many times in the past almost 50 years and I've never seen another. Must've been beginners luck.
I'm a Western Pennsylvania kid. My mom is from the area and I have family up and down the Allegheny River valley. We moved back to Pennsylvania when I was 4 and I lived there from 1986 to 2010, aside from four years in Erie and State College. My memories go back far enough to have seen a high hood Conrail unit on the now gone Butler Branch and saw B&LE F7s on a late season ore train (must have been 1988 or 1989).
I've been past that bridge hundreds of times. Never seen a train on it. It is my White Whale.
Best light show from a steel mill is when slag is being dumped. Before Wisconsin Steel Works was shut down in 1980, about a dozen slag thimbles would be periodically shoved by a CWP switcher to the dumping hill just north of 104th Street. There were some spots on the street where you could see the molten slag flowing with the sky well lit. The neighborhood just east of the hill was known as Slag Valley.
BaltACDwitness the steel mills light shows as the train followed the river from Pittburgh to McKeesport; our return trip from Baltimore would be on #9 arriving in the evening and witnessing the light show.
When I was a kid we traveled a lot between Dallas and New Orleans. The oil refineries at night were quite a show. I loved seeing them.
Station Square has a great restaurant called the Grand Concourse. It's owned by Chuck Muer, a Detroit tradition. It's a steak/seafood place. They also own the Gandy Dancer in the old Ann Arbor Michigan Central station and the River Crab in St. Clair, MI overlooking the St Clair River and the lakeboats.
Lithonia OperatorThat looks great. What railroad is that? NS?
Station Square is the former P&LE Station and is on CSX.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
That looks great. What railroad is that? NS?
Good area to eat and catch a train ..
https://www.stationsquare.com/
BackshopI always get melancholy when I go to Pittsburgh. I was first there in the early 70s and to see all the vacant land that used to be steel mills and railroad yards is depressing. I know time moves on, but that doesn't mean that you have to like it...
As a kid my family lived in the Pittsburgh suburb of Bethel Park, however, both sides of my family called Baltimore home and as such there were numerous trips on the B&O from Pittsburgh to Baltimore and return. The normal trip was to leave Pittsbugh in the evening on #10 and witness the steel mills light shows as the train followed the river from Pittburgh to McKeesport; our return trip from Baltimore would be on #9 arriving in the evening and witnessing the light show. While some trips were made during daylight hours - you never got the impact of the the light show in daylight. Night time it was better than any laser light show of the 21st Century.
I also recall the first place 'pizza' was discovered - a place on PA-51 across the street from a slag pile that was 100 or more feet high. Watching the steel mill's 'slag train' operating on the top 'rim' of the pile and dumping the slag over the edge.
I always get melancholy when I go to Pittsburgh. I was first there in the early 70s and to see all the vacant land that used to be steel mills and railroad yards is depressing. I know time moves on, but that doesn't mean that you have to like it...
CO, I very much appreciate the input. But I'm pretty sure that the Carrie furnaces are as far as we'll get out of town. There's a lot we want to see and do in the city, and we'll only have a few days. (Plus, I'd prefer not to have to rent a car there, as we already have car$ in two other place$ lined up. From what I can tell, Pittsburgh has good public transportation.)
The Connellsville area would likely be the area that I would find most interesting, but as we learned in the other thread, your itinerary is pretty much already set, and you just want photo ops that fit into your program, so I didn't even bother bringing it up.
The street car graveyard in Winber PA would be a "must see" for me, as well, But it's likely too far out of your way, also.
I'm glad I got some good photo suggestions, because otherwise this thread has turned to ....
BaltACDIt's not like any municipality is taking water from any natural body of water and putting it out through their water systems without seriously treating the water before distribution.
You mean like the same municipalities who once thought it was a swell idea to build combined sewer systems so that everytime it rains, the pipes get flushed out real good?
A local village used to brag that they minimally treated their water (filter, required chemicals) which they drew directly from Lake Ontario. They now get their water from a regional water line that draws out of the St Lawrence River where the lake empties into same.
They used to get awards for the quality of their (minimally treated) water.
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It's not like any municipality is taking water from any natural body of water and putting it out through their water systems without seriously treating the water before distribution.
Convicted OneActually the water utility website claims that it gets the majority of their water from the river, with local wells as a "reserve".
Probably for rain events that both wash pathogens into the rivers and also cause overflows at upstream sewage plants.
If (and that's a big if) cities and towns have kept up-to-date with EPA regulations on waste, they are discharging water into the rivers that is cleaner than the water they are taking out of the river.
I remember my daughter's elementary school field trip to a wastewater treatment plant that illustrated the water about to be discharged was clean enough to safely drink. I don't want to even think about it.
I probably wouldn't drink any water on the Space Station.
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MidlandMikeand that the fresh water supply comes from pipes from reservoirs.
Actually the water utility website claims that it gets the majority of their water from the river, with local wells as a "reserve".
And yes, it happens everywhere, although perhaps not as graphically as in Pittsburgh. I just find it unsettling to realize the water coming out of my showerhead was likely in someone else's bladder the week before. Regardless if all the pathogens in it have been killed, or not.
Perhaps this should become a touted benefit of fuelcell automobiles? "Burn Hydrogen, it's the only way you can be SURE where your water comes from"...
In Pittsburgh's case, it would seem practical, even desirable to either pipe the intake of one upstream from the other, or alternately pipe the discharge downstream of the other.
SD70DudeThe older relatives we visited said it is way cleaner now than 40 or 50 years ago.
I can vouch for that in Lake Ontario - annual visits (and more often once I moved here) were de rigeur.
In the late 1950's and 1960's there was a problem with agricultural run-off, which led to the grown of "moss." Large masses would wash ashore, causing access issues (it was no fun to walk through to go for a swim, and you had to clear off the boat ramp to launch the boat), including stink.
Reducing that run-off helped, then came the zebra mussels.
Zebra mussels can filter a lot of water, resulting in being able to see bottom in many places that were long hidden. The downside was their ability to clog water intakes, and their sharp shells make wearing shoes in the water almost mandatory.
I swam in Lake Erie the last time I was in Ontario, and I'm still alive.
The older relatives we visited said it is way cleaner now than 40 or 50 years ago.
Unless you are the most upstream city on a river, you are going to get someone else's (treated) discharged wastewater ending up in your intake.
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MidlandMikeMy guess would be that the river is lined with sewage plants in every town, and that the fresh water supply comes from pipes from reservoirs.
Properly treated, the outflow from those sewage plants may be cleaner that the river they're dumping in to.
Of course, if their plant can't handle overflow, you might end up with a little extra stuff...
Reminds me of the line in "Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald." "And farther below Lake Ontario Takes in what Lake Erie can send her"
Convicted One MidlandMike always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge. I have always found the view from the McKees Rock Bridge, with the sewage treatment plant in the foreground, and the municipal water plant visible downstream in the background. One can only hope that one is somehow piped past the other.
MidlandMike always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge.
I have always found the view from the McKees Rock Bridge, with the sewage treatment plant in the foreground, and the municipal water plant visible downstream in the background.
One can only hope that one is somehow piped past the other.
My guess would be that the river is lined with sewage plants in every town, and that the fresh water supply comes from pipes from reservoirs.
Thanks so much, Mark! That's all great info.
The Pennsylvanian Apartments provide a good view of the ex PRR Fort Wayne bridge over the Allegheny River and also the tracks heading to the east.
West Park on the north side of the Allegheny River is a good place to watch NS traffic in the four track trench through the park.
Station Square at the old P&LE station is right beside the CSX main through town and has some historic steel mill displays. Two inclines operate nearby.
The light rail system the "T" is worth a ride. You used to be able to ride free around downtown and to the North Shore. I'm not sure if that is still true. Going south the line runs on the old PRR Panhandle Bridge over the the Monongahela River then through the Mt Washington trolley tunnel.
The Gateway Clipper fleet of boats offers various tours on the rivers from their Station Square dock. Some railroad activity and many railroad bridges can be seen from their boats.
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Thanks for the responses.
MidlandMikeNot really a photo location, but I always was impressed by the view of the ex-B&LE bridge over the Allegheny from the parallel Penn Turnpike bridge.
Seen many a train there off and on when the tolls were low enough to warrant using the PA Turnpike. Tolls are so high, I would rather take 15 minutes longer to go to NE Ohio and use I-68 and I-77 to get there without tolls.
Also used to look down from the turnpike onto the B&O's P&W Sub just West of the Route 8 exit. It was double track at the time - East track was signed with sand as trains climbed Bakerstown Hill with sanders oprating on both lead power and manned helpers - West track just the normal railroad grime. Now it is just a single track line with the Buffalo & Pittsburgh performing local service as far South as Allison Park.
Further West approaching Beaver Falls - the bridge over the Beaver River with the PRR along the East bank and the P&LE's triple track mains on the West bank. Now under CSX there is only a single track on the West Bank - don't know if there is still rail down on the East bank.
I also saw a B&LE hopper train on the bridge the first time I was there, but never again.
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