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How much is too much?

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How much is too much?
Posted by Murphy Siding on Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:05 PM

     On the northern plains we can sometimes get a foot of snow at a time. (Not unlike Texas Mischief). Our city plows the emergency snow routes continuously. This can put a 2' to 4' windrow of snow and/or ice over the rails at a railroad crossing. How much is too much snow and ice for a train to break through?

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, February 21, 2021 10:48 PM

Unless it's frozen solid, shouldn't be a problem.  

If the flangeways get filled up and frozen, then you worry.

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, February 22, 2021 1:08 AM

Agree - If you plan correctly, then no problem. But Ma N. has ideas of her own - ice is usually the bigger threat and what condition are the locomotives in, esp the traction motors? (too many cut out and bad things happen)....

Seen any light engine plow extras yet? (threshold of people getting concerned)

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Posted by steve-in-kville on Monday, February 22, 2021 5:39 AM
I was thinking of this myself. My ATCS page shows when switch heaters are activated.

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, February 22, 2021 9:36 AM

Switch heaters do not melt ice in frog flangeways and in crossing flangeways. Considerable care and effort is required to keep those clear. If you look back in the forums, you will see numerous cases of derailments due to ice packed into flangeways causing wheel lift derailments.

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, February 22, 2021 10:19 AM

In fairness, there are occasions where too much snow is the issue, the one coming immediately to mind being comparatively recent: the City of San Francisco in 1952.  (This was my introduction to 'microweather' in the old Time-Life book series I loved growing up... bet Erik remembers this too)

As I recall this was the incident that led SP to build plow trains with a rotary on each end, so the plow train itself wouldn't be stranded if snowfall, drifting or slides might otherwise build up too much.

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