CP Manifest on UP's Ayer Sub

[GN_Fan]

Thanks Bruce for your answer, and yes, I did mean CP and not CN.  I've seen quite a few clips of CP powered trains on the Ayer Sub, so the question came naturally to me.  If you follow Railfan Dan on Youtube or Google railroad bridge at Joso, WA, you'll see the HUGE span across the Snake...it's really impressive.

[Bruce Kelly]

Actually, it's the Palouse River, as noted by the O.P. The Palouse flows into the Snake, and the Snake into the Columbia. 

Here are just a few glimpses of the Palouse River Canyon taken from the ground by my son, during some of our many hikes into that area, and during a solo hike or two he did when I was too busy to be able to accompany him:

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/708702/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/561118/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/523929/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/505901/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/505069/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/504708/

https://www.railpictures.net/photo/504496/

 

 

 

 

 

[beaulieu]

Spokane, Washington is at the north end of this line. That is the Columbia River at the bottom of the gorge.

[Electroliner 1935]

Thanks for posting that video. This is the first I have heard of this trackage. What a wild area. Is there any habitation near this line? 

[Bruce Kelly]

GN Fan, I assume you meant CP instead of CN when you re-phrased your question. No, CP does not have trackage rights over UP's Ayer Sub between Fish Lake, WA, (just southwest of Spokane) and Hinkle, OR. Additionally, CP does not have trackage rights over UP's Spokane Sub between Eastport, ID, and Spokane.

[CMStPnP]

GN_Fan

I guess I should rephrase my question. Does CN have trackage rights on UP's Ayer sub? This is a yes or no answer....anyone have an answer?

They usually always display trackage rights on the CN or CP respective website on their respective system map.    You just need to look there to get your answer.

I would agree with others it is run through power as most railroads with border crossings are trending in that direction including KCS with Mexican Locomotives.

[tree68]

GN_Fan

I guess I should rephrase my question. Does CN have trackage rights on UP's Ayer sub? This is a yes or no answer....anyone have an answer?

I don't even know where the Ayer Sub is, but...

Odds are really good that it's simply run-through power.  

 

[GN_Fan]

I guess I should rephrase my question. Does CN have trackage rights on UP's Ayer sub? This is a yes or no answer....anyone have an answer?

[Bruce Kelly]

It became a UP train once it crossed the border. Given the date, just months before UP's implementation of Unified Plan 2020 ("Precision Scheduled Railroading") in its Northwest region, I'd say the symbol was either METHK or QETHK (ET=Eastport HK=Hinkle). Most of the cars would have come out of Canada, but some of those head-end lumber loads could have been picked up at Samuels, Idaho, which is where UP's local out of Sandpoint, Idaho, leaves such cars for main line pick-up after gathering them from area mills. 

[GN_Fan]

I recently found some really awesome drone videos of trains on Youtube.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1CSB58k6hw  This one featured a CP manifest hauling mainly forest products through the Palouse River Canyon on UP’s Ayer Sub.  Besides spectacular scenery and marvelous rail engineering, the video is visually stunning and Railfan Dan deserves plenty of kudos for his work.  However, I have a question I’d like answered.  Is this train running on trackage rights or is it a UP train with CP power?  My assumption is that it came off the CP at Eastport, ID and is bound for Hinkle, Or and points further on.  Does anyone know the origin/destination of this train and is it a true CP train running on trackage rights?  Thanks in advance.