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Posted by tree68 on Monday, January 3, 2022 5:30 PM

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I understand the WMSR now has one freight account to help pay the bills.

Hey, Fred, come look at the locomotive they used to bring us our car...  ;-) 

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Monday, January 3, 2022 4:37 PM

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I had to get a Y6b, I wasn't going to disgrace my Class J by having it pull freight! 

You're good man Wayne! Don't let nobody tell you any different! 

Aw shucks, I'm blushing!   Embarrassed

 

1309 is probably miffed that it is handling silly passenger equipment rather than the black diamonds it was built for.

 

They can convert their passenger cars into mixed useBig Smile

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 3, 2022 3:15 PM

tree68
 
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1309 is probably miffed that it is handling silly passenger equipment rather than the black diamonds it was built for. 

At least UP throws some freight behind their steam from time to time...

I understand the WMSR now has one freight account to help pay the bills.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, January 3, 2022 3:04 PM

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1309 is probably miffed that it is handling silly passenger equipment rather than the black diamonds it was built for.

At least UP throws some freight behind their steam from time to time...

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, January 3, 2022 1:16 PM

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I had to get a Y6b, I wasn't going to disgrace my Class J by having it pull freight! 

You're good man Wayne! Don't let nobody tell you any different! 

Aw shucks, I'm blushing!   Embarrassed

1309 is probably miffed that it is handling silly passenger equipment rather than the black diamonds it was built for.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, January 3, 2022 1:03 PM

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I had to get a Y6b, I wasn't going to disgrace my Class J by having it pull freight!
 

 

 

You're good man Wayne! Don't let nobody tell you any different!

 

Aw shucks, I'm blushing!   Embarrassed

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Monday, January 3, 2022 9:37 AM

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I had to get a Y6b, I wasn't going to disgrace my Class J by having it pull freight!
 

You're good man Wayne! Don't let nobody tell you any different!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:59 AM

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As a result, I won't have an articulated locomotive on my model train layout unless I have slipped one of the engines over a couple of teeth.

OK, this is purely a "For what it's worth" thing.  Wink

I've got one articulated for the O Gauge collection, an MTH N&W Y6b.  It's not unusual for the twin-motored model's engines to go in and out of synch constantly.  Aside from the esthetics it's no big deal.  

But man, does that thing PULL!

I had to get a Y6b, I wasn't going to disgrace my Class J by having it pull freight!

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Posted by selector on Friday, December 31, 2021 4:22 PM

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tree68

 

 
blue streak 1

noticed that both sets of drivers were running sycronized. That was in contrast of 4014 when it was starting up.  Is that because of 1309 running as a compound?

 

I'm guessing it's just dumb luck.  It's possible that when everything was put together the two engines were aligned and they just haven't had a chance yet to get out of synch.

 

 

 

As I understand it it's not unusual for engines on articulated to go in and out of synch during operation. 

 

There is ample video evidence for both main types of articulated 'Mallet' locomotives, simple and compound, to go in and out of synch while running.  As a result, I won't have an articulated locomotive on my model train layout unless I have slipped one of the engines over a couple of teeth.  I think it looks a lot better than the 'camel walk'. Geeked

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, December 31, 2021 1:56 AM

Maryland Scenic won't have a problem.  The loads 1309 will be required to haul nup the mountain are far less than what it was required to do in C&O mine-run coal service.

I'll be 90 shortly, and varioius reasons discourage overseas travel from Israel, which has been my home now for 25-1/2 years.  But any extended USA visit would certainly involve Maryland Scenic and hopefully a concert at Frostberg;s (U of Maryland's) fine performing arts hall, which my partner for 25 years, L. Gerald Marshall, helped design.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:25 PM

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tree68 
blue streak 1

noticed that both sets of drivers were running sycronized. That was in contrast of 4014 when it was starting up.  Is that because of 1309 running as a compound? 

I'm guessing it's just dumb luck.  It's possible that when everything was put together the two engines were aligned and they just haven't had a chance yet to get out of synch. 

As I understand it it's not unusual for engines on articulated to go in and out of synch during operation. 

Since the Engineer's manipulation of the throttle is the Wheel Slip Control and the individual engines are weighted slightly different when being loaded to maximum adhesion - wheel slip of one or both engine units does happen in operation and the only way to control the wheel slip is to back off the throttle until the wheel slip stops and then begin advancing the throttle again.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 4:54 PM

tree68

 

 
blue streak 1

noticed that both sets of drivers were running sycronized. That was in contrast of 4014 when it was starting up.  Is that because of 1309 running as a compound?

 

I'm guessing it's just dumb luck.  It's possible that when everything was put together the two engines were aligned and they just haven't had a chance yet to get out of synch.

 

As I understand it it's not unusual for engines on articulated to go in and out of synch during operation. 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 10:48 AM

blue streak 1

noticed that both sets of drivers were running sycronized. That was in contrast of 4014 when it was starting up.  Is that because of 1309 running as a compound?

I'm guessing it's just dumb luck.  It's possible that when everything was put together the two engines were aligned and they just haven't had a chance yet to get out of synch.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 10:07 AM

noticed that both sets of drivers were running sycronized. That was in contrast of 4014 when it was starting up.  Is that because of 1309 running as a compound?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 8:31 AM

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Drifting in reverse at 12:55 -- I don't think they're working steam properly at times.

In fairness, I'm sure there's going to be a bit of a learning curve involved with running the locomotive.  I'd guess there's very few men still alive (if any) who could tell them how it's supposed to be done, and these locomotives didn't come with owners manuals, at least not to my knowledge.

Steve Lee once said that after a new type of locomotive was delivered in the old days there was typically a lot of discreet testing done on the delivery tracks, as in "I wonder what this thing does..."

Give 'em time, they'll figure it out.

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 7:36 AM

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The H6 series of engines personified by the 1309 were not 'Main Line' engines.  They were mine run engines.  Engines designed to place empties and pull loads from the mines back to the yards where the coal would be switched for its various destinations - thus the front of the engine is equipped with foot boards to aid the switchmen as they perform their duties and the 56 inch drivers for moving big tonnage at slow speeds.

The H6's were 'backwoods' workhorses.

 

Yep. One of the first railroad books I ever bought was Staufer's C&O Power.  I thought the best part of the book were the little short "railfanning" stories at the rear.  He mentioned the mine runs.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 6:03 AM

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The footboards are not the problem. I think the smokebox mounted air compressors are ugly on any engine. Others are free to disagree.

 

And trust me, us C&O fans do disagree.

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 6:02 AM

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Can someone explain what's up with that rear tender truck?

 

The wrong road name is painted on the tender above it? 

 

It is now their locomotive? Should #90 at Strasburg forever say "GREAT WESTERN"? They did that for a while, then repainted it STRASBURG.

Strasburg has now operated #90 longer than the GREAT WESTERN did.

I'm just happy to see 1309 run, and in a place where I can go see it, rather than sitting outside in Baltimore rusting away.

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:44 AM

And anchovies.  here's a URL to a website tat has a good photo of the specific type of Pacific.   May bo copyrighted. so I am not posting it.

http://www.columbusrailroads.com/new/?menu=05Steam_Railroads&submenu=44Steam_1945-1960&submenu4=x3C%26O_Locomotives

Their best Mikes also had "flying pumps."

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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, December 21, 2021 5:01 AM

The C&O's top-of-the-line Pacifics, rode behind one Washington - Charlottesville. age 10, 1942, had air-compressors mounted on the smokebox front.

An acquired taste.  Like classic PRR power, olives, and avocado.. 

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Posted by mvlandsw on Monday, December 20, 2021 11:25 PM

The footboards are not the problem. I think the smokebox mounted air compressors are ugly on any engine. Others are free to disagree.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, December 20, 2021 7:04 PM

The H6 series of engines personified by the 1309 were not 'Main Line' engines.  They were mine run engines.  Engines designed to place empties and pull loads from the mines back to the yards where the coal would be switched for its various destinations - thus the front of the engine is equipped with foot boards to aid the switchmen as they perform their duties and the 56 inch drivers for moving big tonnage at slow speeds.

The H6's were 'backwoods' workhorses.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, December 20, 2021 6:35 PM

I think it is fantastic that it has been brought back to life. But it still makes me think of the expression "he had a face only a mother could love!" 

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, December 20, 2021 3:04 PM

Graphic demonstration of how the intercepting valve works starting at 1:25.

Drifting in reverse at 12:55 -- I don't think they're working steam properly at times.

Is there a theatrical reason for the steam blows on a newly-rebuilt engine, particularly the one on the right side at what looks to be a slip joint on one of the flexible steam lines?  Not that I object to them running the engine in service!  

Those night views of the cars made me thirsty for good hot chocolate...

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, December 20, 2021 12:37 PM

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, September 20, 2021 10:18 PM

Here is an original Western Maryland 2-6-6-2, pre-Fireball:

https://www.steamlocomotive.com/whyte/2-6-6-2/USA/photos/wm957-mitchell.jpg

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, September 20, 2021 9:47 PM

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Posted by mvlandsw on Monday, September 20, 2021 8:25 PM

There was some problem with the FRA and track tie condition. I don't know if that has been resolved.

I'm sure they wouldn't want it to derail on its first trip.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, September 20, 2021 8:38 AM

zugmann
The wrong road name is painted on the tender above it? 

Shussshhhh...  Wink  

Those guys went through so much agony restoring that thing it'd be fine with me if they painted "Eat At Joe's" on the tender!  

 

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