OvermodWhat did you expect from the Anaheim line either; the Fortress junior brother of the Las Vegas express that goes to Disneyland?
You're probably right on the mark. I just read where the Victorville terminus of the Vegas bullet train is to be extended to Rancho Cucamonga, so I guess that circuitous (San Diego/LA) routing serves some interests well.
Surprised that they haven't targeted Palm Springs while they are at it. Lots of high rollers out in the Springs.
LOL "Train leaving for Anaheim, Azuza, and Cucamonga"....
Convicted OneWhat a carnival ride!
When we read complaints that the U.S. doesn't have HSR, we can remember the problems faced with just this short section. Multiply that by the hundreds of miles these trains would cover, the lawsuits by property owners, the endless court challenges by environmental groups, etc.
On this forum, China has been praised for their HSR building projects. They just say the line is going here to here. If you are in the way, move. If you own the property, you don't anymore. If there's environmental damage, that's too bad.
York1 John
diningcar They propose to follow the BNSF alinement from LAUPT to Redondo Jct. and then all the way to Anaheim. Proposed relocation of BNSF 'facilities' is part of the plan. This is presented by the Authority for comments. Perhaps some at this site will wish to discuss it.
They propose to follow the BNSF alinement from LAUPT to Redondo Jct. and then all the way to Anaheim. Proposed relocation of BNSF 'facilities' is part of the plan.
This is presented by the Authority for comments. Perhaps some at this site will wish to discuss it.
I find the BNSF routing to be inefficient due to the speed restricted curves the HSR will incur at; Los Nietos, Santa Fe Springs, Norwalk, and Fullerton. I've always had it in my mind the HSR should be built in a combiniation of elevated and trench portions within the footprint of I-5. Running from LAUPT on the west bank of the LA River then swinging East at Boyle Heights running with I-5 to Anaheim. . Yet the reality is this was not the preferred RoW due to many obstructions that would make an expensive project incur excessive cost overruns as this project has already done so..
As info, State of California is starting to bicker internally if they should let this project proceed. The state recently gave the project (back under Fortress Investments name) approval to sell bonds to raise money. But then another arm of the state openly disputed that the other arm of the state should have done that so early because the company has not answered some key questions asked of it. So there might be trouble over the horizon for this project. The response was that even though the bonds are approved for sale the state can still stall or halt the project when it comes time to spend the money raised. All this is airing out publicly in the press. State of California could not do it confidentially? If the project is held up now with those public comments out there.....bad for the state (future projects with private company's) and bad for the company.
Everything south of Palmdale appears distorted for political motive.
San Diego to LA via San Bernardino? With 6-8 stops en route? Really?
What a carnival ride!
Map is probably fine. Yes it is slow and has restrictive geometry. Area is more important to Amtrak and SCRRA than BNSF anymore since the Pasadena Sub and Harbor Subs were severed for other reasons.
All the super-elevation in the curves down there always led to diesel fuel soaked ties that created gage problems with conventional cut spikes. Maintenance headache.
(They also get the freak show that habitates that area as well, and those associated headaches)
(My old territory when it was ATSF)
I was thinking the same thing -- there are some pretty tight turns for high speed. Maybe the map doesn't show the turns accurately.
Four nearly right-angle turns in well under 30 track-miles and they expect to run "HSR" speeds over it?
This when a curve with radius of about half that distance is seen as a critical impediment to the Hartford/cross-Sound/Long Island touting of the NEC Second Spine ... not that California seems to be thinking much of actual non-politically-gamed high speed at this point...
Knowing how the South Bay feels about public mass transportation in general, Redondo Junction is probably as good a turning point as any.
I believe this section is just a branch anyway, isn't it? The main turns due east at LA Union Terminal to give several Inland Empire towns their station stop, before continuing on to San Diego.
Note: Link to proposed route
https://hsr.ca.gov/docs/newsroom/maps/LA_to_Anaheim.pdf
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