I was doing a 'fly around' on google maps and it looks like 582 has been abandoned. Anybody got the scoop?
Never heard of it.
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tree68Never heard of it.
Searching it on Google Earth - looks to be a train watching spot in San Bernardino County California.
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tree68 Never heard of it.
I knew what he was referring to- met him there back in 2005 for a few hours of railfanning Cajon.
Chad, I bet they had to bulldoze at least a part of it for that fourth main.
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BackshopI hadn't either so I just googled and it appears to be a trail to a hill that gives good views of Cajon Pass. People need to give some info when they reference these obscure locations.
I lived in Southern CA for 11 years and have even spent a few nights in the motel where I-15 and hwy 138 intersect, and I had never heard of Hill 582 either. I suspect Chad is on a fishing expedition.
"Hill 582." Sounds like a great title for a war movie!
Never been there, don't follow Cajon Pass closely other than Richard Steinheimer's great photo article in a 1970's Trains and K.P. Harrier's posts on it, but even from here in eastern PA I knew that's what Chad meant.
EDIT: Looks like it's still there - see:
https://www.trainmaster.ch/XC-02.htm
Google "Hill 582 Cajon Pass" and you'll get many results.
- PDN.
I am sure the hill is still there .. not sure if it being taken care of.
PDN's link is the best site.https://www.trainmaster.ch/XC-02.htm
I have been out of the area for several years. I know they rerouted CA-138 not sure if that took away any of the access roads.
Hill 582 is (at least was) a real thing, a solitary elevated area, named after its location (58.2 miles out of LA..."582" on a nearby signal). I didnt think that the hill was bulldozed because of the added track (which I thought went on the lower route...perhaps that eliminated the access road to it). Chad also took Pat and me to the hill years ago. Trains on the steeper track went practically underneath you, and the view of the trains went well up the grade toward Summit. Trains has publushed a map of the area, and the hill is most assuredly indicated on the map.Technically, users were trespassing there, either in getting to it (I couldn't get back there without Chad) or on the land itself, but it was a case where the railroad turned a benevolent blind eye to it. It was kept clean by railfans who visited it, and there were makeshift monuments to railfans of the recent past.
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"Trains has publushed a map of the area"
Trains did? I thought everybody working there was sober.
Sorry, Carl, I just could not resist.
Johnny
Well, I guess Tree and I are just a couple of ignorants.
rdamon . . . I have been out of the area for several years. I know they rerouted CA-138 not sure if that took away any of the access roads.
https://www.trainmaster.ch/XC-02-2.htm
Backshop People need to give some info when they reference these obscure locations.
Which was the point of my post.
Had a fellow on another forum who likes to post videos (a lot of them) of his favorite railroad. I finally shamed him into saying where they were taken. None were secret locations - in fact, they are always shot at a very public spot.
One of his spots is a crossing on Pumphouse Road.
Flintlock76 "Hill 582." Sounds like a great title for a war movie!
Flintlock 76: Would have to be filmed in Southern Viet Nam...Hills there were generally designated by their altitude !
In the North they were mostly at 600' or higher... Khe Sahn for example the hills were mostly 800' +.
Hill 327 near Da Nang was famous for the BIG PX ; near the airbase !
OK! I'm just a little OFF TOPIC!
Hi Sam!
Actually, the way I learned it was all hills, especially hills that were objectives, were referred to by their heights on the topographical maps the military uses, goes back a long ways.
I was never in 'Nam but I heard they had some big ones.
BackshopWell, I guess Tree and I are just a couple of ignorants.
You're right, some other reference should have been included with the Original Post, because it is kind of cryptic as it is.
On the other hand, if you google "hill 582" you will get a bunch of good results related to railfanning.
It even has its own business listing on Google Maps!
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Hill 582 is not in Vietnam and the only battle I am aware of is the battle between trains and gravity that plays out many times a day.
Hill 582 is in 'the bowl' area of Cajon pass west of the summit. The hill is still there but it appears to be changed back to it's natural state. Back in the 90s it was turned into a railfan oasis. There were many shade trees that were not native to the area, several memorial plaques, a couple of benches, a fire pit, a bird feeder and even a trash can all on a spot that was terraced on one side and had a dirt road through the top with space for many cars to park. It was named for the signal at milepost 58.2 (from Barstow) on the north track. That signal was replaced by one a little bit to the west when they triple tracked the area. The hill is between the steeper original track (3%) just to the south and used mostly by downhill westbound trains, and the north track (now paraleled by a 3rd track) just north of the hill. A few dozen yards further to the north is the Union Pacific's former Southern Pacific Palmdale cutoff.
That makes 4 mainline tracks all within a stones throw, And in my opinion the 'hands down' all time greatest railfan location on the left coast . It is a spot I spent countless hour at for well over a decade.
Carl, it wasn't trespassing, that area is USFS land except for the BNSF right of way and the road crossings are public roads.
Brian, they didn't doze it for the triple tracking I was there about 7 years ago and it was about the same as it was when you were there.
tree68 Backshop People need to give some info when they reference these obscure locations. Which was the point of my post. Had a fellow on another forum who likes to post videos (a lot of them) of his favorite railroad. I finally shamed him into saying where they were taken. None were secret locations - in fact, they are always shot at a very public spot. One of his spots is a crossing on Pumphouse Road.
As of November, 2019 nothing had changed. The trees, etc are all still there.
We didn't try to get up there on account of the snow, however.
I don't think anything has changed.
NorthWest As of November, 2019 nothing had changed. The trees, etc are all still there. We didn't try to get up there on account of the snow, however. I don't think anything has changed.
Thanks, good to know it's still there.
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