I'm 70, and in excellent health. For the last week we've been moseying from Charleston SC back to Maine. We are ten minutes from getting home. Will be glad to get there. We will be isolating ourselves except for grocery shopping. We live in a small village, and have no reason to have contact with others, except when we go to the next town to shop. I fully expect well not contract the virus. I will be looking to see if there is way to help out, without contacting people. Maybe I can do some type of virus-related volunteer work online.
Our grocery has initiated seniors- only hours: Tues Wed Thurs, 6/7 am. We'll be rising with the chickens Tuesday. Just stopped briefly for a few things to get us to then.
Be safe, all.
MiningmanWell now Kenny Rogers has passed at the age of 81. Remember this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AULOC--qUOI
I think this one fits the mood: Over and over and over again
Lithonia OperatorOur grocery has initiated seniors- only hours: Tues Wed Thurs, 6/7 am. We'll be rising with the chickens Tuesday. Just stopped briefly for a few things to get us to then.
Many stores here are doing the same thing. Some folks have complained about the early hours, but that is when the stores will be best stocked and sanitized.
I think I'm in decent health. I'm also one of those who wonder if maybe I haven't already had the virus, as it made it's silent rounds before the news broke. Or not.
Our governor says "we're all in quarantine." At this point there is just one known case here in my county, plus one visitor later found to have been positive.
A local distillery is donated sanitizing supplies to local responders. People might wonder about the whiskey bottles at the fire station, but, that's what they're putting it in. They'll put out some hand sanitizer in a couple of days.
Using on-line info I found, and after I made a trip to the fabric store, one of our local quilters is turning out some masks for the FD. I asked her to make as many as she had material for.
Waiting impatiently...
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
The biggest problem with this virus is the number of asymptomatic individuals that are carriers and spreaders.
Since we are only testing symptomatic individuals we are dark on the other side of the contagion.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
My health have not a cold in 6 years which is a bad thing at late 40s which means that the next cold will be a doisy...Aortic Anerosim,HBP& 711 food and cheap beer at the train station on the run.
BaltACD The biggest problem with this virus is the number of asymptomatic individuals that are carriers and spreaders. Since we are only testing symptomatic individuals we are dark on the other side of the contagion.
I think the so-called pre-symptomatic phase is just the time lag between a victim contracting the virus and realizing they have symptoms. Then they delay further action by waiting to see if the symptoms seem serious.
Overall, it does delay in isolating and getting treated, and that delay would have the same effect as the supposed pre-symptomatic delay. But I think the idea of the pre-symptomatic delay was made up based on a misunderstanding or a purposeful deception.
But either way, I agree that the delay is giving the virus a head start.
Enough about the damn coronavirus! I'm using bold purple lettering because I can't use purple prose! This thread's supposed to be about Kenny and how good he was for all those years.
The "Night Train" finally came for him just like it's going to come for all of us, so kick back, pour yourself a beer or two or three, and remember the good times, like this...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQW7I62TNOw
OK, "Shiner Bock" fueled rant over. Back to the usual stuff.
PS: Dolly's a steam freak!
Flintlock76Enough about the damn coronavirus! I'm using bold purple lettering because I can't use purple prose! This thread's supposed to be about Kenny and how good he was for all those years. The "Night Train" finally came for him just like it's going to come for all of us, so kick back, pour yourself a beer or two or three, and remember the good times, like this... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQW7I62TNOw OK, rant over. Back to the usual stuff.
OK, rant over. Back to the usual stuff.
We already know what condition Kenny is in. The world moves on.
I hope everyone can stay healthy, and observe the conditons that have been prescribed for all of us...
The first week of this month, I did my regular shift[Tuesdays and Thursdays] at the local VA Hospital... Everrything was tipically routine; until I got home that evening.
Friday morning of that week, I was suffering from having spent the previous night, with the porcelaine pony. Friday, all day was a repeat of the previous night. I now have a complete understanding of why,as a society, we have a fear for the lack of those round roles, and our societal need to 'hoard' the same.
The whole exercise culminated in a lack of any appetite. For the next 7 days, I lived on a few cups of Boullion, and an occasional cup of tea. As the old saying goes, "...it was the worst of times, and the best of times..." I lost 26 lbs.
I have been self-quarantined at home since..... I have seen more television this month, that I ever had in a similar period of time. And then spend time sitting at my desk watching the BNSF out the window. I had never noticed how the trains were beeing 'Fleeted' through here; The stackers together, and the grain trains by themselves, while the merchandise trains also, seem to run in pairs,
. One thing, I have found to blunt the effects of too much TV has been You Tube. Thanks to Flintlock76, I spent an afternoon binge-watching British military bands...Learned about all I needed to know, about the Nepalese Gerka's, and their hiostory in the British Army; and all the 'How-To' stuff, I never knew, I did not know to do.
And, then, I think I've seen every video on UP 4014's last soiree about the country. Last night, I spent a couple of hours ( and, I think, fried my brain) watching a video of the SE Chief running between Chicago and L.A.
At least, the best part is, I have shown no signs of any relapse of symptons. I am fairly certain, that what I got was a severe dose of the regular flu, with a side of seasonal allergy, sinus aggravation, and a dessert of sore throat. Of course, now there is not a heck of a lot going on...Stores that are open are on reduced hours, and even the barber shops are closed. Have not even driven the car far enough to need gas.... I am ready for this thing to be over! I would not wish the events of the last three weeks on my worst enemy.
Stay Well Everyone; and Keep your social distances,
Hang in there Marine, if the VC and the NVA couldn't get you some miserable bug never will!
Want to do some REAL binge watching? Check YouTube for Mark Felton Productions, a military history buffs dream come true! Wow!
Semper Fi Sam!
Wayne
PS: Lady Firestorm and I had a case of what we believe was the regular flu the first week of this month. Temperature, body aches, coughs, "snoolies," general tiredness, but thank goodness no "poops." All over in five days. We both feel fine now.
She gave it to me, and wouldn't take it back!
I'm inside, got a lot of cold beer, plenty of grub and a fresh bottle of Jack Daniels. I'm doing OK. What condition is my condition in? See below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dooSFIvLn-Y
I've always liked that song "The Gambler"- the imagery of it stays with me.
Well, I hope we can agree that this thread is about death. In that vein I've been somewhat surprised that local deaths due to the corona virus are being reported in the local media without mention of the names of the departed. Citing a need to protect the privacy of the departed.
In contrast it appears curious that they (the same media outlets) feel no need to protect the privacy of suicide victims, victims of other diseases, and unintentional self inflicted deaths.
Forces me to suspect the "privacy" argument is a specious one.
This one was 'popular'(?) with people I worked towards the end of the Vietnam war:
"Ruby, Don't Take Your Love to Town"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDOznxiEcdM
Sang it for a lot of miles in the old surveying truck.
- PDN.
samfp1943 One thing, I have found to blunt the effects of too much TV has been You Tube. Thanks to Flintlock76, I spent an afternoon binge-watching British military bands...Learned about all I needed to know, about the Nepalese Gerka's, and their hiostory in the British Army; and all the 'How-To' stuff, I never knew, I did not know to do.
I agree. YouTube is fantastic. In fact I have my own channel there (but not about trains).
May I point out that a simple HDMI cable can allow the YouTube programs on your computer to play on your television. For many that means a much bigger screen and better sound, resulting in an improved experience.
One can buy HDMI cables (that's what they're called) in varying lengths from Amazon, B&H, etc. They are cheap and install instantly!
NKP guy One can buy HDMI cables (that's what they're called) in varying lengths from Amazon, B&H, etc. They are cheap and install instantly!
Wait until you get a Smart TV. No cables needed!
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
NKP guy samfp1943 One thing, I have found to blunt the effects of too much TV has been You Tube. Thanks to Flintlock76, I spent an afternoon binge-watching British military bands...Learned about all I needed to know, about the Nepalese Gerka's, and their hiostory in the British Army; and all the 'How-To' stuff, I never knew, I did not know to do. I agree. YouTube is fantastic. In fact I have my own channel there (but not about trains). May I point out that a simple HDMI cable can allow the YouTube programs on your computer to play on your television. For many that means a much bigger screen and better sound, resulting in an improved experience. One can buy HDMI cables (that's what they're called) in varying lengths from Amazon, B&H, etc. They are cheap and install instantly!
Wow! You've got your own YouTube channel? How can I (we) find it? I'm VERY interested!
I wanted to private message you with the question but it doesn't look like it's possible.
Yes, there's a LOT of good stuff on the 'Tube. A lot of junk too, but no-one makes you watch it.
Another fun YouTube channel I like to watch is called "Inside The Chieftain's Hatch." If you want to learn about tanks, he's the guy to watch! Very informative and entertaining! Downright hilarious at times too!
An easier permanent option for YouTube on tv is a Roku dongle plugged into a HDMI port of your television. I bought and set up one for my mother a few weeks ago. It was about $20 and was called a Roku Express.
Hooking it up is about as simple as it comes. It didn't even need to be plugged into a power outlet thanks to being USB powered and the tv having an unused USB port. And it connects to the router via wifi and doesn't need you to string an ethernet cable to it.
https://www.amazon.com/Roku-Express-Definition-Streaming-Player/dp/B075XN1NZC
It does YouTube and hundreds of other streaming apps.
Many HDTV's even have Roku functionality built in these days (aka Smart TV's). I have YouTube, Watch Turner Classic Movies, and several others installed on my television. And if you're a subscriber to such services, it of course has apps for all the popular paid services like Netflix, Hulu, etc.
NKP guy In fact I have my own channel there (but not about trains).
Ditto, although there's not a lot there: treesixtyeight
About once a month I'll get a comment on the Hackensack videos.
If you want to do some virtual train watching, there are dozens of web cams located all over the country. My favorite, of course, is Deshler, OH. There are two there, reachable via YouTube. If you have a YT account, you can join the chat as well.
samfp1943 The first week of this month, I did my regular shift[Tuesdays and Thursdays] at the local VA Hospital... Everrything was tipically routine; until I got home that evening. Friday morning of that week, I was suffering from having spent the previous night, with the porcelaine pony. Friday, all day was a repeat of the previous night. I now have a complete understanding of why,as a society, we have a fear for the lack of those round roles, and our societal need to 'hoard' the same.
Have you thought this might have been food poisoning and not the flu? Did you eat when at the VA? Bad food can cause a major clearing of the GI tract.
My son (in Minn) described the exact same series of events the day before yesterday, so unless they have the same Chef, I figure it is a virus of some sort.
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
Electroliner 1935Have you thought this might have been food poisoning and not the flu? Did you eat when at the VA? Bad food can cause a major clearing of the GI tract.
I have heard that a previously unrecognized early symptom of SARS-CoV-2 was gastro-intestinal upset. As I recall, it would then be followed by the flu/cold symptoms.
tree68 Electroliner 1935 Have you thought this might have been food poisoning and not the flu? Did you eat when at the VA? Bad food can cause a major clearing of the GI tract. I have heard that a previously unrecognized early symptom of SARS-CoV-2 was gastro-intestinal upset. As I recall, it would then be followed by the flu/cold symptoms.
Electroliner 1935 Have you thought this might have been food poisoning and not the flu? Did you eat when at the VA? Bad food can cause a major clearing of the GI tract.
In the case of my wife and I; The intestinal 'nastyness' was the first sign of the oncoming problems. About 36 hours or so, of that 'unpleasantness'... Been many years since I have had that explosive of a problem...[Holding a waste basket and riding the porcelaine pony].... Following symptoms were 'flu-like', low-grade fever, mild headaches, and NO Appetite ! Then all that was followed by what acted like seasonal allergys...I do not want to be invited to any of that again.. And Yes, I had my yearly flu shot, and pneumonia shot, as well...
samfp1943In the case of my wife and I; The intestinal 'nastyness' was the first sign of the oncoming problems. About 36 hours or so, of that 'unpleasantness'... Been many years since I have had that explosive of a problem...[Holding a waste basket and riding the porcelaine pony].... Following symptoms were 'flu-like', low-grade fever, mild headaches, and NO Appetite ! Then all that was followed by what acted like seasonal allergys...I do not want to be invited to any of that again.. And Yes, I had my yearly flu shot, and pneumonia shot, as well...
Congratulations - you may have already had the coronavirus, and survived.
Good news(?) is CV-19 affects the lungs, not the stomach. So sounds like you either had stomach flu or food poisoning, not Coronavirus.
wjstix Good news(?) is CV-19 affects the lungs, not the stomach. So sounds like you either had stomach flu or food poisoning, not Coronavirus.
I didn't have it. Read that it may have been an unrecognized early symptom. Most people would recognize it as stomach flu or food poisoning and not make the connection.
Given that even the experts don't fully understand SARS-CoV-2, I wouldn't completely discount the possibility.
tree68I didn't have it. Read that it may have been an unrecognized early symptom. Most people would recognize it as stomach flu or food poisoning and not make the connection. Given that even the experts don't fully understand SARS-CoV-2, I wouldn't completely discount the possibility.
I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2. Any loss of that ability to smell?
Electroliner 1935Any loss of that ability to smell?
Nope - detected the road apples just fine on the way to a call just now... (possible cardiac - nothing to do with SARS-CoV-2)
But that's another indication that we don't know exactly what we're dealing with.
Generally I'm feeling well physically, but the current 'supply issues' are a little stressful due to permanent effects from colorectal surgery.
Fortunately my YT feed came up with this uplifting and informative video:
These fine musicians were almost reading my mind .....
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Noticed that for a while that deaths by county were reported nationally. Suddenly about 5 (?) days ago no longer deaths by county are posted.
As of Monday evening about 800 cases in Georgia. 300 of them are in the Atlanta metro area. Do not believe that is a true vision of total cases as testing persons in rural area are probably behind urban areas ? Or rural areas may just be a couple weeks behind because of their being more isolated ?
Was doing a little research yesterday and discovered that for NY state, out of almost 11,000 confirmed cases, only 400 are outside the metro NYC area...
Electroliner 1935I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2.
From what I can tell so far, much of this is associated with advanced infection, possibly CNS involvement. It is possible that it's involved with primary infection of the cells involved with generating new receptors (smell is a very interesting sense when you study how it's accomplished!)
The good news according to Dave Klepper is that the sense apparently can become re-established upon recovery from CoVID-19 ... at least in some patients. We won't know more about it until (perish the day!) we get much, much better statistics from an appropriate range of cases...
Overmod Electroliner 1935 I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2. From what I can tell so far, much of this is associated with advanced infection, possibly CNS involvement. It is possible that it's involved with primary infection of the cells involved with generating new receptors (smell is a very interesting sense when you study how it's accomplished!) The good news according to Dave Klepper is that the sense apparently can become re-established upon recovery from CoVID-19 ... at least in some patients. We won't know more about it until (perish the day!) we get much, much better statistics from an appropriate range of cases...
Electroliner 1935 I seem to have heard that the loss of the sense of smell is something that accompanies SARS-CoV-2.
Well we know that society at present smells and has not had a sense of taste for decades. So what else is new. [/sarcasm]
blue streak 1 Noticed that for a while that deaths by county were reported nationally. Suddenly about 5 (?) days ago no longer deaths by county are posted.
Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report. It shows confimed cases and deaths by country:
https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2
Rio Grande Valley, CFI,CFII
BaltACDWell we know that society at present smells and has not had a sense of taste for decades. So what else is new.
That's pretty good!
Although I think some expansion of the idea that society doesn't know its own smells and tries hard not to smell them might make a better metaphor ... or commenting on how you don't smell stinks if you've been around them long enough...
PJS1Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report. It shows confimed cases and deaths by country: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2 Add Quote to your Post Post Body
PJS1Here is a link to the latest WHO Situation Report. It shows confimed cases and deaths by country: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200323-sitrep-63-covid-19.pdf?sfvrsn=b617302d_2
Let me add to that the link provided by Jones1945 in a different thread:
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
It should be possible to derive the actual trend in death rate, adjusted for both overall incidence and lags, by tracking these data appropriately.
I find it more than a little horrifying that, when I attempt to download the manual to effective diagnostic strategy mentioned in the WHO link, I am informed via a 429 error that I, personally, have exceeded my WHO allocation of PDF downloads, and am refused a copy of the document as a result. One hopes that this is not typical of the competence of the WHO in other ways.
This is my firsr posting on this thread. I've discussed my situation on the "Over-Reaction" thread on the Passenger Forum in some detail, so I won't bore you by a repetition, except to say I'm still healthy and in good spirits and doing the best to follow instructions, including seeing about getting a face mask for trips to the grocery store and apartment.
I've read through all the posts to see how you are, glad that those with symptoms have recovered and that basically all is well with all of you.
Overmod, you have my particular concern because I've learned a lot of interesting material from all your very positive postings on many subjects.
Your very life is one of devotion to your fellow human beings and the railfan hobby is just one of several avenues you use to implement this.
And there are others that post that approach this excellence.
I also deeply appreciate those who are still active professional common-carrier railroaders, and those who retired, who counter rumors and falsehood with hard facts. Bless you!
daveklepper...who counter rumors and falsehood with hard facts.
Alas, I'm finding in other fora that there are those who prefer to believe the falsehoods and rumors over hard facts. Much of that is politically based. While there are hotspots, for the most part it's not a matter of what "Sid" from "Ice Age" says - "We're all gonna die!" People are recovering just fine, and many have gone through it without their affliction even being reported.
When I mentioned the possibility of a treatment in the form of a malaria medication, one fellow made a point of posting the report about the couple who used a version meant for use in aquariums, without noting that it wasn't the human version of the medication, and that they probably took too much besides.
I've heard it suggested that the death rate for SARS-CoV-2 may have even fallen below that of the seasonal flu. Time will tell.
My post about the death rate. At one time each US state was posting deaths by each county ( LA Parishes still posted as of this morning ). Why do the government officials think they can keep us in the dark ? Just another power play ?
blue streak 1 Just another power play ?
Yes.
Even though there have been 22,000 (more or less, depending on the estimate source) deaths from the seasonal flu, locking the country down over the holidays, when it could have made a difference, would likely have resulted in open rebellion.
Look up REX-84.
All four Israeli "Sick Funds," (Combination health insurance and total medical treatment) offer free flu vacine injections at the start of winter. Membership in one of the four, whicih compete on service and price, is mandatory.
Complying with the rule not to congregate in synagogues, our evening service was in the courtyard, despite our study-hall-synagogue being large enough to accomodate the some 14 - 18 students and the rabbi still at the Yeshiva during this period while keeping "social distancing."
Although not all the counties in Texas are reporting COVID-19 incidents and deaths, Texas Health and Human Services has a dashboard that reports some data. Here is the link:
https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83
No matter what data source one looks at, the data probably should be viewed as tentative. For example, TXH&HS is reporting 974 cases while the CDC is showing 715 cases. And John Hopkins is probably showing another set of numbers.
None of them, as far as I can determine, are setting the numbers in context. Assuming the 974 cases and 12 deaths reported by TXH&HS is the worst-case scenario, approximately .0034% of Texans have contracted the disease; approximately .00004% of the population has died from it, and 1.23 percent of those that got it died from it.
PJS1Although not all the counties in Texas are reporting COVID-19 incidents and deaths, Texas Health and Human Services has a dashboard that reports some data. Here is the link: https://txdshs.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/ed483ecd702b4298ab01e8b9cafc8b83 No matter what data source one looks at, the data probably should be viewed as tentative. For example, TXH&HS is reporting 974 cases while the CDC is showing 715 cases. And John Hopkins is probably showing another set of numbers. None of them, as far as I can determine, are setting the numbers in context. Assuming the 974 cases and 12 deaths reported by TXH&HS is the worst-case scenario, approximately .0034% of Texans have contracted the disease; approximately .00004% of the population has died from it, and 1.23 percent of those that got it died from it.
Considering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested, your deductions are as meaningless as the the numbers you want to challenge.
As mere mortals the decisions of medical professionals are the ones that should be followed - not those of pompous political buffons that have no grounding in scientific methodology.
BaltACDConsidering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested,
~ 0.00046%, going by Sam's source.
Notoriously missing from most reports is the number of recovered patients, which will eventually reach around 98% given current trends.
Of course, all we have available is the reported cases - those folks who caught SARS-CoV-2 and never sought medical treatment will never show up in any statistic.
I don't necessarily trust even the medical professionals. Some of them have political agendas, too. Looking at a cross section of the various official reports is more likely to give one a true sense of what's happening.
As I noted - it also helps to look at county-by-county reports. Many rural areas have as few as no cases, while most urban areas predictably show higher concentrations.
BaltACDConsidering that likely much less than 1% of Texans have even been tested, your deductions are as meaningless as the the numbers you want to challenge.
Speculation about the number of cases in Texas is just speculation. What the health department is reporting appears to be an accurate albeit subject to challenge count.
Divide any reported number of cases and deaths by an estimated population, i.e. county, state, nation, world, and one gets a very low percentage of cases and even fewer deaths as a percent of the population.
I am not challenging any of the reported numbers, other than to note that the vary significantly from reporting agency to reporting agency.
PJS1Divide any reported number of cases and deaths by an estimated population, i.e. county, state, nation, world, and one gets a very low percentage of cases and even fewer deaths as a percent of the population.
When one considers that most of the currently developing cases would have been infected before the major lockdowns began, I would opine that the growth has not been as great a some predicted, other than the few hotspots like NYC and LA.
We just picked up one more case in our four county area.
A newspaper front page covering the death of Kobe Bryant in late January also had a story about several cases of SARS-CoV-2. And there are those who think it's been on our shores since well before that.
What is concerning to me is the impact on the health care providers. We need them and they do not have some of the tools (PPE) they need. If the growth of the number of cases continues to climb, the U.S. could be seeing what Italy has had. And since many of the cases are in Nursing homes, and Rehabilitation facilities with older populations, many who are already not in the best of health, I do not like what this portends. I believe a number of health care professionals have caught the Covid-19 and if that number climbs, we may not have the help we need when we catch the virus.
So avoid unnecessary contact with others until this subsides.
Yetserday, I heard that only emergency surgery is to be provided in Utah, thus freeing all surgical caretakers to attend instances which are life-threatening.
Last Friday, when I had the follow-up visit with my opthalmologist after my first cataract procedure, he decided that he should go ahead with the other eye--tomorrow. This afternoon, I received a call from the University's Eye Center, giving me instructions for tomorrow morning. Apparently my situation is cosidered to be such that this shoild be done. This will be done, not in the University Hospital, but the facility that is dedicated to vision care.
Johnny
Johnny, I have had the cataract surgery on each of my eyes in a surgercenter and my impression was that I was better served there because eye surgery was the only procedures performed so other risks were not present. Back in the '80's, I watched (on a video monitor) my dad have cataract surgery so I knew what to expect. It is very routine today. And your sight will be improved. Only negative is that you no longer have the variable focus lens you had so bifocals or reading glasses will be required. Good luck.
Deggesty Yetserday, I heard that only emergency surgery is to be provided in Utah, thus freeing all surgical caretakers to attend instances which are life-threatening. Last Friday, when I had the follow-up visit with my opthalmologist after my first cataract procedure, he decided that he should go ahead with the other eye--tomorrow. This afternoon, I received a call from the University's Eye Center, giving me instructions for tomorrow morning. Apparently my situation is cosidered to be such that this shoild be done. This will be done, not in the University Hospital, but the facility that is dedicated to vision care.
Johnny: Cataract Surgery is, these days, literally, 'a walk in the park'. Relatively common, and many practitioners do them in what would amount to a purpose- built, surgical suite within an office setting.
I won't bore you with the details, but I was a candidate for both eyes, due to underlaying health conditions, and after a few months of stabilization with intra-eye injections of the breast cancer drug 'avastin'.... This took place about 4/5 years back. It was done by a local area eye surgeon who came to our VA, a couple of times a month just to do patients there. The whole proceedure(s) lasted about a total of 30 min per eye ( done singlely, over several weeks) Check at 7 Am and out the door by 8 AM.
After about 4 years, my vision scores pretty well ! I do see a retina specialist about every 6 months...'stable' is my favorite word
Best of Luck with you proceedure!
samfp1943 Cataract Surgery is, these days, literally, 'a walk in the park'. Relatively common, and many practitioners do them in what would amount to a purpose- built, surgical suite within an office setting.
For sure. I had laser cataract surgery in both eyes several years ago. The doctor did it one week apart, one eye at a time. No time in a hospital, more like a suburban office building. There was an anesthesiologist nurse each time. They don't put you fully under but they do sedate you. The anesthesilogists were different people. And that did make a difference. I've never done drugs, but that 1st one sent me psychedelic. I was drugged, loopy, and saw ever changing colorful kaleidoscopes. I kind of enjoyed it. "I just dropped in to see what condition my condition was in."
That didn't happen on the 2nd eye. I was kind of looking forward to it.
So anyway, I'm just amazed at what modern medicine does. I guess in the past people with cataracts just went blind. Now, it's a quick, painless fix.
I'm taking sensible precautions. I have little choice. Everything fun is closed and I'm "ordered" to stay home. BS. It was a nice day today and I went for a short drive to enjoy it. People were out walking, some with DOGS. Three teens were defying authority and hanging out together on a small bridge over untroubled waters. Their school is closed. The waterfowl were undisturbed and abundant. As usual.
I have great faith in my doctor, our medical system, and in God. I'll get though this, just quit making it miserable for me to do so.
I came throuigh the operation this moorning well. I bought an off-the-shelf pair of reading glasses which I need for reading; but I do not need glasses for working with my computer.
I undersrand that after my next appointment I will be able to get reading glasses that fit my need better/ I was aware of the work while it was bring done, and had no aftereffects.
My apologies if this has already been shared elsewhere. The best map I've come across so far that shows the true status of viral spread in the U.S. appears in this article. Interactive so you can zoom, navigate, and hover over each county for stats.
https://apnews.com/316123a978e61bc6df7863f05fa419fa
Deggesty I came throuigh the operation this moorning well. I bought an off-the-shelf pair of reading glasses which I need for reading; but I do not need glasses for working with my computer. I undersrand that after my next appointment I will be able to get reading glasses that fit my need better/ I was aware of the work while it was bring done, and had no aftereffects.
Great to hear it went well, Johnny.
Bruce Kelly ...map...
We are starting to see folks from NYC (~20,000 cases) coming into our area (2 cases) to their summer homes. Hopefully they'll self-quarantine for 14 days. They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area.
That map is just a little off for NYC. It shows the five boroughs with zero cases...
tree68They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area.
People refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse.
zugmannPeople refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse.
Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two.
Videos of a fire Tuesday on Long Island showed traffic on a main artery that was probably at least as heavy as a normal day. At least most non-essential folks here are sticking around home. Of course, the list of essential people grows daily - and that's not people who think they are essential. They've been so designated by their employer.
tree68Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two.
I really doubt that. Don't take my word for it, though- puruse some thoughts from doctors and other medical folk.
tree68 zugmann People refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse. Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two. Videos of a fire Tuesday on Long Island showed traffic on a main artery that was probably at least as heavy as a normal day. At least most non-essential folks here are sticking around home. Of course, the list of essential people grows daily - and that's not people who think they are essential. They've been so designated by their employer.
zugmann People refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse.
Not only that - their employer has also have to have been designated as essential.
zugmann tree68 They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area. People refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse.
tree68 They probably won't, and that's when you'll see growth in this area.
Monroe, Co. PA in upper eastern PA (roughly Stroudsburg almost to White Haven, straddling the I-80 corridor) reportedly has a similar issue - it's a popular get-away/ 2nd home for NYC folks. Lot of NY license plates reported there. It's among the 10 PA counties (67 total) that are now under a "Stay-At-Home" order, and probably the least-densely populated (permanent residents) one of the 10, so that ought to indicate how much the influx and the problem is.
samfp1943Cataract Surgery is, these days, literally, 'a walk in the park'. Relatively common, and many practitioners do them in what would amount to a purpose- built, surgical suite within an office setting.
I'm very interested to hear these positive outcomes of cataract surgery since I will need it eventually; both eyes measure correction diopter > 10 and cataracts have no obscurations. However, my optometrist has been discouraging me due to the risk of retina detachment. I'm due for another appointment as one y/o glasses are already blurry and I seem to need even more light (opacity issue?). Any thoughts on the threshold for surgery? TIA!
BaltACDtree68 zugmann People refuse to take this seriously. It will only get worse. Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two.
@tree, you have overlooked the '5% Rule'. 95% of the people understand the issue and will do the right things, but there are 5% who will not or cannot without strict supervision.
The SFBA here has been a hot spot but there are some signs of turnaround. My visits to Trader Joes and Costco revealed that employees are well trained to help with social distancing, and buying volumes now look like essentials, not panic. There are even reported sightings of toilet paper.
Rural areas will be hard hit sooner or later because they have far fewer resources to draw on, say grocery stores or medical facilities. My neighbor's relatives in western Idaho report that they are still in the panic buying phase.
Startup of normal businesses or schools will have to have well thought out protocols to prevent relapse. I can't imagine how indoor physically strenuous work or tightly packed classrooms can be made safe yet.
After the surgery this morning, my daughter and I stopped at the optical shop in the building to see what strength reading glasses I should get; then we went to Smith's (Utah Kroger) to get glasses. There were many people in the store, some buying much and others buying little; they did not really bunch up at the registers. We used one of the self-serve registers--and an employee was going around, wiping everything off after each customer used one.
My temperature was taken in my room a few minutes ago, and it was in the good range.
Deggesty After the surgery this morning, my daughter and I stopped at the optical shop in the building to see what strength reading glasses I should get; then we went to Smith's (Utah Kroger) to get glasses. There were many people in the store, some buying much and others buying little; they did not really bunch up at the registers. We used one of the self-serve registers--and an employee was going around, wiping everything off after each customer used one. My temperature was taken in my room a few minutes ago, and it was in the good range.
Here's a thought to get kids (and some adults) to wear a mask:
[mischief emoji] Put it inside a Darth Vader helmet! [sounds of heavy breathing]
Paul_D_North_Jr Here's a thought to get kids (and some adults) to wear a mask: [mischief emoji] Put it inside a Darth Vader helmet! [sounds of heavy breathing] - PDN.
Indeed. Two layers of knit fabric (think t-shirt) aren't N95, but they're still pretty good. The key is to be able to breathe through them.
That said, there are plenty of kid friendly knits available, if your fabric outlet is still open. There are also team prints for the sports fans. And appliques aren't out of the question for the craft-minded.
Our local Joann's has pre-cut kits they are giving away. And there are plenty of patterns available.
Mike F90: A GOOD retina surgeon should be able to handle your problem while removing the cataracts-they do retina attachments as part of their services. But you need to do some research and find out who is really qualified in your area. Then make an appppointment with him/her and have them check your eyes. However, you will probably have this done as an out-patient in a hospital setting since it could be more than simple cataract removal.
I just had Lazer surgery on both my eyes last Fall [I'm now 75] with the best eye surgeon in my area. I don't need glasses at all for distance vision while all I need for reading is $9.95 Walmart reader glasses at only 1.25 magnification. My friends who have had just lazer removal of cataracts from the same surgeon have nothing but praise for him. It is a very short operation. Cataract removal is covered by medicare if you have it.
I don't understand why your optometrist wouldn't want you to be checked out by a retina surgeon before declaring it wouldn't be a good idea. The surgeon is the expert as to what is possible. And if a local retina surgeon can't do it, he possibly could refer you to an Eye hospital in one of the major cities which specializes in more difficult cases.
Thank you, Sam. So far as I know, I am facing no further "procedures:" both eyes have been renewed. I understand that the next step is checking the vision in both eyes and then glasses that truly fit my need for close work. Bifocals with clear vision for distance and prescription for close work?
I so not have glasses on as I work with my computer. My keyboard and screen are both clear in my vision.
I live in Wichita where Sedgwick County has a shelter-in-place in effect for 30 days. While we are not a "hotspot", most of us here are taken the recomindations to stay safe and lower the virus spread. Most issues from this region have centered around Kan City metro. One case was confirmed from the college of which the rr training center in housed while an employee at the diesel shop has tested for it. If I were to become ill, chances are it would be from work or the hotel. Little is being done to sanitize the locomotive cabs. We are all left on our own to fend for ourselves. It is also frustrating when one climbs aboard @ a crew change point w/empty water bottles not trown away, the trash bag almost full, a water bottle full of tobacoo juice, which totally grosses me out. You would think in these critical times, folks would be a little more aware of their surroundings but I guess not. It takes two, if not, three hand wipes on most occassions to clean the work area before higballing from town. Not fun.
Hello everyone,
As to what condition my condition is in, my condition is still pretty much normal for what my condition is.
My local grocery store has customer appreciation days near the start of the month, and at the start of March I did a major restocking just because I needed to. That has been a big benefit in these times of increasing restrictions.
At this time neither me, my extended family, my neighbours, nor any of my friends have been afftected by the virus.
I live in a popular entertainment area of Calgary, and it has been quieter than 5 AM on a Sunday, which is my benchmark guide for quiet, all of the time lately. Living in the area for almost 30 years, I know many of the business owner to see them, even if I no longer frequent their businesses, and I feel bad for them during these trying times. After this is over I am afraid my neighbourhood is going to look very abandoned.
I guess that is all I have for now.
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
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Went to Walgreen's for a thermometer - not that I currently need one; I just don't have one. Sold Out!
zugmann tree68 Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two. I really doubt that. Don't take my word for it, though- puruse some thoughts from doctors and other medical folk.
tree68 Left to ourselves, this outbreak would be a non-issue here in a week or two.
Actually, I agree with Larry.
Without precautions, the virus would quickly spread and infect pretty much everyone. Within a couple weeks all those most vulnerable would be dead or dying. Leaving the rest of us to continue living freely, whether we contracted the virus or not (#boomerremover).
So, technically, the outbreak probably would pass more quickly if we all kept going about our business normally.
Greetings from Alberta
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I have 3 thermometers... one digital and 2 glass bulb/mercury types... they all read within .2 ° of each other, but I can't get any of them up over 97.2°... how would I know if I need to contact my dorktor.
BaltACDWent to Walgreen's for a thermometer - not that I currently need one; I just don't have one. Sold Out!
Balt, our Walgreen's was the last place in our town that had TP. They are now out. I didn't check the thermometers. We may have to start using the bathroom at the gas station.
York1 John
I asked my doctor if I gave up delicious food and all alcohol, would I live longer? He said, "No, but it will seem longer."
BaltACD Went to Walgreen's for a thermometer - not that I currently need one; I just don't have one. Sold Out!
Have you got one of those infrared thermometers with the laser pointer? You're in business, and nobody has to touch anybody.
SD70DudeWithout precautions, the virus would quickly spread and infect pretty much everyone. Within a couple weeks all those most vulnerable would be dead or dying. Leaving the rest of us to continue living freely, whether we contracted the virus or not (#boomerremover).
This seems to be the logic applied to the seasonal flu. This outbreak has a ways to go to reach the ~22,000 who died of that so far this season in this country.
blue streak 1 Noticed that for a while that deaths by county were reported nationally. Suddenly about 5 (?) days ago no longer deaths by county are posted. As of Monday evening about 800 cases in Georgia. 300 of them are in the Atlanta metro area. Do not believe that is a true vision of total cases as testing persons in rural area are probably behind urban areas ? Or rural areas may just be a couple weeks behind because of their being more isolated ?
Albany in SW Georgia is the other hot spot in the state. As for here in almost-Georgia (Tallahassee), about a dozen cases, no deaths as far as I know. Lady in my office (who I have little contact with, thank goodness) was tested 3/26, but won't know the results for about a week. Reason given for the delay was testing for first responders and medical people is taking priority. I'm pretty healthy, so I'm not really worried for myself, but my wife's immune system is severely compromised, and I REALLY hope I haven't brought it home to her. On the bright side, she has taken hydroxychloroquine for years for some of her other medical issues, and was recently prescribed azithromycin for a non-corona virus lung ailment. Guess she will be a good test for whether that cocktail wards off corona.
SAL. Unconfirmed rumors that Albany hot spot came from attendance at a funeral ?
@ Tree68: From whence did you get that ~22,000 number?
Semper Vaporo@ Tree68: From whence did you get that ~22,000 number?
Tree, I hope you don't mind me answering a question put to you!
"CDC estimates that so far this season there have been at least 39 million flu illnesses, 400,000 hospitalizations and 24,000 deaths from flu."
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/weekly/index.htm#ILIActivityMap
York1Tree, I hope you don't mind me answering a question put to you!
Not a bit. Actually, I've seen death numbers from 17,000 to over 40,000 attributed to the flu. I've been sticking to the 22,000 simply because I have. I should revise that upward.
It angers me that even with that significant number, many people say that SARS-CoV-2 can't be compared to the flu. The death rate may be slightly higher for SARS-CoV-2 (it's been dropping since testing has been available and more accurate numbers are available) but otherwise it's little different.
It also pains me that in their efforts to preach doom and gloom, that the MSM neglects to mention that some 98% of those who contract SARS-CoV-2 recover...
The page linked below is updated daily. Scroll down to Infections and Deaths, where the stats for COVID-19 are compared to those for average flu seaons. Granted, COVID-19 has only been in the U.S. (officially) for just over two months, so its figures will undoubtedly increase exponentially before the current season is over. And its rate of mortality is estimated to be higher than flu. But looking at the numbers where they stand so far, with COVID-19 infections and deaths being a small fraction of average flu infections and deaths, it should make you wonder why this level of concern, panic, politicizing, and economic downturn hasn't happened during winter/flu seasons in almost every previous year, when far, far more people were being infected and killed.
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu
Bruce Kelly...it should make you wonder why this level of concern, panic, politicizing, and economic downturn hasn't happened during winter/flu seasons in almost every previous year, when far, far more people were being infected and killed.
Exactly. Using the logic being applied to SARS-CoV-2, the country should have been in lock-down throughout the holiday season...
tree68 Bruce Kelly ...it should make you wonder why this level of concern, panic, politicizing, and economic downturn hasn't happened during winter/flu seasons in almost every previous year, when far, far more people were being infected and killed. Exactly. Using the logic being applied to SARS-CoV-2, the country should have been in lock-down throughout the holiday season...
Bruce Kelly ...it should make you wonder why this level of concern, panic, politicizing, and economic downturn hasn't happened during winter/flu seasons in almost every previous year, when far, far more people were being infected and killed.
We 'think' we have effective treatment for 'the flu'. We 'know' we don't have effective treatment for Covid-19.
So what is the difference between "Corona virus", "Novel Corona Virus", "COVID-19", "SARS-CoV-2" and "the flu"?
If "the Flu" is worse than "COVID-19", then how come the hospitals have not been overrun until now?
(I do wish everybody, including the news media, would settle on just one name for the present panic pandemic.)
Semper VaporoSo what is the difference between "Corona virus", "Novel Corona Virus", "COVID-19", "SARS-CoV-2" and "the flu"?
Corona virus = generic description, Novel = NEW, COVID-19 = the illness caused by the virus, SARS-CoV-2 = medical term for the new CV, "the flu" = influenza virus that has been studied for >100 years
Semper VaporoIf "the Flu" is worse than "COVID-19", then how come the hospitals have not been overrun until now?
SV, please turn off your TV/Cable and search the Google News feed for starters. NYC, the largest hot spot in the US, has skyrocketing number of cases that are filling or have filled their hospitals. That's why people are leaving NYC if they can.
These arm waving comparisons of influenza to COVID-19 are a bit shocking and disingenuous. We know that there are many influenza strains, some mild and a few really nasty. We have built up 'herd immunity' and so mostly the weak, elderly, unvaccinated wind up in hospital.
OTOH the SARS-CoV-2 virus is new with no effective treatments yet. The victums may end up with chest tubes during a long hospital stay, reads like end stage COPD. If we don't do everything we can especially (relatively easy) shelter-in-place it could wind up like the Spanish Flu that impacted a quarter of the worlds population: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_flu
They have. Our local hospitals have gone on "diversion" a number of times this winter. That means they don't have any available beds.
From the University of Minnesota: "In its latest estimates on flu impact today, the CDC said the disease has sickened from 36 million to 41.3 million people this season through Apr 13, of whom 16.7 million to 19.4 million sought medical care. In addition, the disease has hospitalized 502,000 to 610,000 patients and killed 34,400 to 57,300."
From the same source: "The percentage of deaths due to pneumonia and influenza dropped to 6.6%, down from 7.0% the week before and below the epidemic threshold of 7.0% for the week."
http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2019/04/us-flu-still-elevated-dropping-deaths-high-57000
A couple of weeks ago I checked the current reported flu cases for my county. It was over 200. Right now just five have been officially confirmed to have the virus.
Right now, per statistics on worldometer, the US death rate is 1.75%.
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If you look at 'coronavirus' you will get an idea of the type and structure involveed. It is similar to some of the viral types causing 'common colds'.
The immune responses to viral infection are interesting and complex; many of them involve a generation of 'recognition' of features on the viral 'envelope' and then creation of ways to attack something displaying those features. A 'novel' virus is one whose envelope is not recognized yet by the immune system, and against which the natural process of defense will be ineffective for some period of time.
The novel coronavirus in Wuhan differs from other similar coronavirus species in 8 key places, one of which is a spike protein highly specific to the human ACE2 receptor on many cell types. This receptor is a key part of what is called the RAAS system, and effective selective infection of cells relatively rich in these receptors may be a key inducer of the cytokine storm (see interleukins 6 and 11) that is the current leading theorized cause of ARDS (which is the actual thing killing many of the victims)
When the virus was originally isolated and sequenced it was preliminarily called nCoV-2019, for 'novel coronavirus found in 2019'. Upon further research this was deemed structurally similar to the coronavirus isolated in SARS, from 2003, and the designation was changed to SARS-CoV-2. As of a couple of weeks ago there were two distinguishable strains of this (designated S and L for different amino acids in key locations on an envelope protein) but I don't think there is a formal naming convention to reflect that yet.
COVID-19 is a different naming convention, and stands for COronaVIrus Disease (presenting first in 20)19. [Technically this should be pronounced with a long 'i', like the I in "excimer", but don't hold your breath waiting for it]. This is not a virus; it's the disease resulting from the virus infection. As the ARDS in particular is an immune-system overreaction ... much as in the 1918 influenza outbreaks, but perhaps different in induction ... and not a direct viral-infection result, this is a better term to describe the lethality. But not the antiviral aspects per se. This can be a harder distinction to make than some media people ... and politicians and such ... care to make.
Influenza is a separate disease, involving very different virus types with different immune responses. These have a habit of exhibiting more or less novel antigen presentation while retaining the ability to infect effectively and then multiply rapidly in the human body. In particular the H1N1 type has caused periodic epidemics (1918-20 and 2009 being two famous ones, and most of the 'death toll' in the current under-the-radar 'fly epidemic' I think attributable to H1N1 clones). This has essentially NOTHING TO DO with therapies or even approaches for coronavirus, and indeed some default magic-bullet treatments for 'flu' in emergency rooms -- notably Tamiflu and prednisone -- have already been demonstrated to do more harm than good in cases that have progressed or promise to progress to ARDS.
A simple way to remember the difference is to ask how far you'd get with the manual for a 7.3 Powerstroke trying to repair an 8-71T. Or if you intended to use special tools or parts in the repair.
blue streak 1 SAL. Unconfirmed rumors that Albany hot spot came from attendance at a funeral ?
Came from looking at the Johns Hopkins University map of where cases are happening. Three or four counties in the Atlanta area are bright red, so is Dougherty County (where Albany is located). Those counties in/near Atlanta and Dougherty County are the only ones in GA with that high an incidence of corona virus.
Semper Vaporo I have 3 thermometers... one digital and 2 glass bulb/mercury types... they all read within .2 ° of each other, but I can't get any of them up over 97.2°... how would I know if I need to contact my dorktor.
Lithonia Operator Semper Vaporo I have 3 thermometers... one digital and 2 glass bulb/mercury types... they all read within .2 ° of each other, but I can't get any of them up over 97.2°... how would I know if I need to contact my dorktor. Do you mean that if you stick them into a pot of hot water on the stove, none would read above 97.2? I find it hard to believe you would have three bum thermometers, all similarly wrong. So I'm guessing you are referring to your own temp. Which must be around 97.2. Don't know why you'd have a low temp, but I'm pretty sure if it was Covid or flu, your temp would be above 98.6, not below.
In the world of covid-19 I have been shingled, at least that is what my doctor says. Aggrivating, not debilitating.
Semper, that reminds me: a few years ago, I was reading the instructions for a new digital thermometer, and it listed "normal" readings for different locations (under tongue, armpit, etc.) and they were all one or two degrees lower than 98.6°. This surprised me since I remembered reading 98.6° consistently under my tongue back in my thirties and earlier. Lately, I have been reading lower temps, so maybe it's as you suggested, I'm sinking slowly into the crabgrass.
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BaltACD In the world of covid-19 I have been shingled, at least that is what my doctor says. Aggrivating, not debilitating.
Does that mean you now shed water?
Semper VaporoI have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them.
Your post was interesting, so I looked up some info. I read that normal body temperature for different people can range from 97° to 99°. It even said that the "normal" temp of 98.6° was set in the 1800s, and that many believe the "normal" is actually closer to 98.2°.
I had never heard of this before. I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.
York1I had never heard of this before. I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.
Heck, there's even a song about it... (There's your ear worm for today.)
I saw a story recently, I think in the paper, that 98.6 was, indeed, not "normal," following pretty much what's been said here.
So it does follow that it's less the temperature itself than the deviation from normal that is significant.
Be careful when taking medication for the shingles. A friend told me of his experience--the irritation would be so bad once a day that he would get up and run out of the house; his doctor gave some medicine and after taking it, he would have two running fits a day. My friend did not tell me what the medicine was.
Semper Vaporo Lithonia Operator Semper Vaporo I have 3 thermometers... one digital and 2 glass bulb/mercury types... they all read within .2 ° of each other, but I can't get any of them up over 97.2°... how would I know if I need to contact my dorktor. Do you mean that if you stick them into a pot of hot water on the stove, none would read above 97.2? I find it hard to believe you would have three bum thermometers, all similarly wrong. So I'm guessing you are referring to your own temp. Which must be around 97.2. Don't know why you'd have a low temp, but I'm pretty sure if it was Covid or flu, your temp would be above 98.6, not below. In my mouth, either separately or combination. If I put them under the hot water faucet they can get up to well over 105 and match my kitchen meat thermometer within a couple of tenths of a degree when in the same stream of water. I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them. Oh, I also tried one of my remote non-contact thermometers, pointing it at my forehead, my temple, behind my ear and under my tongue... Forehead -- 94° Temple -- 94° Behind ear -- 96° Under tongue -- 96.6° I think the condition of my condition is that I have one foot in the grave and I am digging furiously to make the hole deeper.
You are, literally, one cool dude.
Deggesty BaltACD In the world of covid-19 I have been shingled, at least that is what my doctor says. Aggrivating, not debilitating. You've been shingled? Was that a hair cut? Or was that an attack of the shingles? Be careful when taking medication for the shingles. A friend told me of his experience--the irritation would be so bad once a day that he would get up and run out of the house; his doctor gave some medicine and after taking it, he would have two running fits a day. My friend did not tell me what the medicine was.
You've been shingled? Was that a hair cut? Or was that an attack of the shingles?
A seven day prescription of Valacyclovir. We will see what the effects are - good or bad. I attempted to get the Shingles vaccine last year, but the facility didn't have any.
BaltACDA seven day prescription of Valacyclovir. We will see what the effects are - good or bad. I attempted to get the Shingles vaccine last year, but the facility didn't have any.
Good luck, Balt. Hopefully the medicine keeps the pain down.
Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical?
Euclid Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical?
It's a virus. It must get inside a host organism to replicate. The common cold is caused by a virus, as is the flu. So is rabies, for that matter. The SARS outbreak was caused by another strain of coronavirus.
There are a number of viruses. Coronavirus is just one.
tree68 Euclid Is coronavirus a living organism or just a chemical? It's a virus. It must get inside a host organism to replicate. The common cold is caused by a virus, as is the flu. So is rabies, for that matter. The SARS outbreak was caused by another strain of coronavirus. There are a number of viruses. Coronavirus is just one.
But is it alive like a plant or animal, or is it just a chemcical compound or molecule?
EuclidBut is it alive like a plant or animal, or is it just a chemcical compound or molecule?
Google is your friend. I could look it up and c&p here, or you can just read it yourself firsthand. It is not just a chemical compound or a molecule, however.
Is coronavirus dead or alive?
https://www.khanacademy.org/test-prep/mcat/cells/viruses/a/are-viruses-dead-or-alive
Take coronavirus as an example. This is basically a complex molecule of RNA (ribonucleic acid) that has the capability of entering a complex cell and subverting the complicated cellular machinery of 'life' in ways that make copies of itself, plus some other key materials.
In order to protect the RNA from being lysed or otherwise denatured or consumed, some of what the virus has 'manufactured' is a structured protein coat (called a 'capsid') that self-assembles itself from constituent geometric units. It also has more complex proteins, collectively called an 'envelope', among which are some that by configuration act to bind to features of cell walls and, if there's a fit, preferentially invade the cell walls and signal the capsid to release the RNA 'payload' into the cell.
You can essentially 'kill' a virus in a variety of ways, which act to ruin the delicate construction of the RNA genome inside the capsid. Once the virus loses the ability to make any of a large number of critical components, it may no longer be able to compel or persuade the cellular machinery to work effectively to replicate it sufficiently to be infectious -- at which point natural processes within cells or in effective parts and systems of the immune response tend to destroy any remaining parts that trigger response. Or to implement a well-conserved cellular response called 'apoptosis', which is the body's way of getting abnormal or 'unrecognized' cells to not only shut their internal machinery off, but cut themselves up for easy disposal. Much of this has been documented within the past 20 years, and to me at least it's fascinating. You will note that even viral genomes in active process of reproduction may be 'caught' by apoptotic response and cut up and destroyed by the same internal processes, shy of being targeted by components of the immune system response directly.
A virus cannot produce anything without an existing, and operational, cell which has key susceptibilities. It is only an assemblage of complex molecules ... much like an only slightly less lethal aberration, a prion (which is a human protein structurally near-correct but that folds into operative shape a slightly different -- and energetically preferred -- way.) But bring it into contact a with susceptible cell, and all the subsequent steps to infection, replication, cell lysis and assembly of new 'virus particles' will take place as "programmed", just as if intelligently directed by life.
Different antiviral strategies, and the sorts of things that defeat them or make them too dangerous or toxic for medical use, follow from this. The reason 78% alcohol is an 'ideal' strength for actual coronaviral sanitizing is that this is the concentration that just solubilizes envelope proteins enough to allow alcohol to penetrate to the RNA genome and denature it (which occurs in about 2 min. after wet contact). Higher alcohol concentration results in the envelope becoming impenetrable to inward diffusion of alcohol, so the genome stays intact ... and after the alcohol in the envelope has diffused or evaporated away, the spike proteins responsible for infectious attachment may re-self-assemble and the particle become infectious again upon contact and orientation.
Sombody sent me a coronavirus information sheet from Johns Hopkins University. I don't have the link, but in the document, it says this:
A little light relief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0ci5EYb9qA
A student an an area university tested positive, but wonders why he's in isolation, as he doesn't feel sick.
Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.
tree68 Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.
WAY TOO many.
cx500- Judging from the comments on YT that song has gone...nah I won't say it.
SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA, not a DNA-based virus. It uses a different set of cellular 'machinery' from DNA-based viruses, and you might find the differences interesting.
Infection does not progress to changing the cellular genome directly (as a DNA virus can) but deals with protein synthesis more directly.
The specificity of SARS-CoV-2 is to certain cell-surface receptors found in relatively large numbers on those tissues.
Someone has a really wack idea of how viral infection and replication work. A cell affected by a RNA virus does not 'mutate' into 'aggressor cells' (on oncogenic tumor tissue) but it can prime elements of the immune system to attack it, as well as recognized virus, and that response can involve induction of (irreversible) apoptosis. If you study the particular cellular specificity and shifting antigens of HIV you will see part of the particular mechanism involved in that.
tree68 A student an an area university tested positive, but wonders why he's in isolation, as he doesn't feel sick. Makes one wonder how many others are in this situation.
At least around 45000 reported cases like this in China as of March 2019.
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York1 Semper Vaporo I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them. Your post was interesting, so I looked up some info. I read that normal body temperature for different people can range from 97° to 99°. It even said that the "normal" temp of 98.6° was set in the 1800s, and that many believe the "normal" is actually closer to 98.2°. I had never heard of this before. I just assumed everyone was 98.6°.
Semper Vaporo I have never registered 'normal' (98.6°) on any thermometer, but the older I get the lower the max number I can get on any of them.
The "average" temperature was found by one researcher to be 37C (not 37.0C) with the implication that temp may vary by 0.5C from that. 37.0C is 98.6F.
Semper VaporoWAY TOO many.
One could argue that not enough have been infected. In theory, those who have had it are now immune and will be available to take care of those of us who have managed to dodge it so far.
Another silly factoid is that Fahrenheit set up his temperature scale by putting ice in saltwater to get it as cold as possible and called that 0°, then he took his own temperature and called that 100°. He must have been sick that day!
As to the Original Thread here...
My "Condition" is fine for the moment. It's my haircut that looks to be in a bad condition. Things are so dire that Lady NKP has been watching YouTube videos on cutting men's hair. Fortunately she has a costume wig to practice on.
For those here who still have hair to cut...how are you going to manage another month or so of long hair and closed barber shops?
NKP; you have touched on the next thing to weigh heavily on my mind (besides the TP shortage). Two of my sons used to cut each other's hair and, push comes to shove, I may just ask one of them to give their old dad a haircut.
Of course; it'll likely be a buzz but; that would last longer.
Curt
I have plenty of hair, but I have not been to a barber shop for,... uh... I don't remember the last time I was in one... I stand in the bathroom, comb my hair over my ears and use the electric clippers to cut off anything covering them. Then I comb it straight back and put my right hand to span my index finger behind my left ear to my thumb touching the boney spot just below the neck in the back and trim everything below my hand, then switch hands to the other ear and do the right side. Then I place one hand straight across the back of my neck just above the boney spot and trim everything below that. I then use a "trim comb" (it has razor-blades behind some large teeth to limit how close it can cut) to comb the hair on the sides to neaten it up a bit. Done... now get the vacuum cleaner to clean up the floor and then take a shower to get the loose hair off me.
Semper Vaporo Another silly factoid is that Fahrenheit set up his temperature scale by putting ice in saltwater to get it as cold as possible and called that 0°, then he took his own temperature and called that 100°. He must have been sick that day!
100C is quite the fever!
Fahreneit. Celsius is 0 for freezing water and 100 for boiling water.
Semper Vaporo I have not been to a barber shop for,... uh... I don't remember the last time I was in one...
Hey, that sounds like me. I haven't been to a barber in almost 50 years. I use a step ladder with a mirror propped up on it facing the medicine cabinet to see behind me. The hardest part is behind the ears.
rdamon100C is quite the fever!
It would even boil water!
BaltACDIt would even boil water!
I'm sure there are people who have had a fever who thought they probably could.
As to haircuts - I got one just before the last shops closed down.
Years ago, a co-worker showed up with a nasty excuse for a haircut. Seems they'd tried one of those "Flowbee" things you hook up to your vacuum cleaner. I wouldn't recommend it...
BaltACD rdamon 100C is quite the fever! It would even boil water!
rdamon 100C is quite the fever!
Don't forget that is at sea level
blue streak 1Don't forget that is at sea level
Assuming no atmosphere?
No, specifically WITH "1 Atmosphere".
At zero atmosphere (essentially in space) it would boil at at any temperature down to when it freezes at 32 deg. F. Then weird stuff might happen to the solid ice - vapor pressure, sublimation, and all that - which I'm not qualified to explain.
Paul_D_North_JrAt zero atmosphere (essentially in space) it would boil at at any temperature down to when it freezes at 32 deg. F. Then weird stuff might happen to the solid ice - vapor pressure, sublimation, and all that - which I'm not qualified to explain. - PDN.
COSMOS at 8 PM Monday's on National Geographic channel -- is downright interesting - especially when thinking about physics and science of space.
BaltACDCOSMOS at 8 PM Monday's on National Geographic channel -- is downright interesting - especially when thinking about physics and science of space.
I know National Geographic TV has flat out distorted things in the past. Viewer be ware.
This article seems unable to conclude whether a virus is alive, as if the question is not settled science. It appears to be only a matter of consensus. As the range of life becomes more and more obscure, perhaps it is easier to doubt that it exists. There is no question that an elephant is life. Maybe the virus is just a smaller elephant.
From the link:
How do we determine whether something is alive? Let’s compare viruses to the 7 criteria researchers have set to determine if something is alive [followed by whether or not they meet the stated condition].
1. Living things must maintain homeostasis. Fail
2. Living things have different levels of organization. Pass
3. Living things reproduce. Maybe
4. Living things grow. Fail
5. Living things use energy. Maybe
6. Living things respond to stimuli. Unknown
7. Living things adapt to their environment. Pass
EuclidThis article seems unable to conclude whether a virus is alive, as if the question is not settled science.
Does it matter? It's real, it can make you sick. Under the right circumstances it can replicate. If the reports that certain NSAIDS can make an infection worse are true, then maybe it does respond to stimuli.
But, in the end - does it matter? Don't lose any sleep over it.
tree68But, in the end - does it matter? Don't lose any sleep over it.
It matters to me because I am currious about things.
I think it is fascinating that the virus seems to have an intention for propagation just like any animal or human, and that it seems intent on overcoming our intent to stop it. Why would I lose sleep over that?
EuclidI think it is fascinating that the virus seems to have an intention for propagation just like any animal or human, and that it seems intent on overcoming our intent to stop it.
It is not "intent" in the conscious sense, or even in the instinctive sense that typifies even single-celled behavior. It is strictly a consequence of effective 'design'.
I think a very good reference source for you will be Vincent Racaniello's virology blog and appended resources, culminating in his Columbia course notes. If you read and follow the material he has provided, most of your understanding will be much better informed than it presently appears to be.
Think of it as dust. It's around everywhere, but it's got a kick.
Or "Never Seez." If you've ever used the stuff, you know it has a way of getting everywhere, even places you don't think you touched.
Once it gets inside your body, it does what viruses do - replicates. For now, nobody has any resistance to it. That will come in time, either through a vaccine, or having had the infection.
Overmod Euclid I think it is fascinating that the virus seems to have an intention for propagation just like any animal or human, and that it seems intent on overcoming our intent to stop it. It is not "intent" in the conscious sense, or even in the instinctive sense that typifies even single-celled behavior. It is strictly a consequence of effective 'design'. I think a very good reference source for you will be Vincent Racaniello's virology blog and appended resources, culminating in his Columbia course notes. If you read and follow the material he has provided, most of your understanding will be much better informed than it presently appears to be.
Euclid I think it is fascinating that the virus seems to have an intention for propagation just like any animal or human, and that it seems intent on overcoming our intent to stop it.
I have no informed understanding of it. That is why I asked whether it is living or non-living. Show me an informed explanation of that question that it simple, clear, and understandable.
tree68Once it gets inside your body, it does what viruses do - replicates.
Perhaps more to the point, for him:
This reminds me a bit of a piece of inadvertent bureaucratic scrambling during the Lockerbie hearings. Someone in testimony let a very important key figure 'slip' in questioning, and it was carefully and emphatically hushed up thereafter -- that being the number of actual terrorist plots that had been detected and addressed in the week prior to the successful bombing of the aircraft. That number -- and mind you, not the number of plots that were thought up or agitated about, just the ones implemented and intercepted, was somewhere over 2,000. In just that one week of 'normal' vigilance and response...
There are many, many different evolved viruses, some of which might pass into and out of your body every second. If they lack specific receptors to attach to mammalian cells -- they will not infect you. If your immune system addresses them correctly -- even if they infect you they will not do so very hard, or for very long. Likewise you may be developing thousands of incipient cancers per day, in different tissues, which promptly induce apoptosis and shut themselves down; the phenomenon can also be observed in more frankly developed cancers through what used to be called 'spontaneous regression'. Just as much of life is a 'war of all against all' on the micro level, so it is with other forms of evolved 'reproduction' even when non-conscious.
As a sort of comparison, look how improbable something like conjugation to produce O157:H7 E. coli in sufficient numbers to cause human disease is. And what social and economic things conspire to produce it. Similar things are observed in nosocomial infections -- which, be it added, is why I can't understand why most of the present COVID-19 'critical facilities' all appear to be open-ward with a bunch of plastic draped around in the wrong places, as if no one learned anything meaningful at all from the 1918-20 influenza kinetics.
Not sure if this site has been posted here, but the UofW Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation (IHME) has a COVID-19 Projections page tracking the progress of cases state by state. A few states show that they have passed the peak resource use, but new data coming in constantly will bear monitoring. April and well into May will still be critical months to help 'flatten the curve'.
In related news, the webmaster of the long running railfan site trainorders.com has reported that he has the symptoms of COVID-19. What is especially interesting is that he has been on hydroxychloroquine for nine months using the same daily dose that was suggested for COVID-19 treatment. A sample size of one, but not promising despite the rantings of our CiC and Sean Handpuppet of FNC. Unethical physicians have caused a dire shortage of this drug which is actually effective for patients suffering from lupus and other conditions.
MikeF90A sample size of one, but not promising despite the rantings of our CiC and Sean Handpuppet of FNC. Unethical physicians have caused a dire shortage of this drug which is actually effective for patients suffering from lupus and other conditions.
Most of what I've seen so far indicates that the hydroxychloroquine is not effective 'by itself'; it creates conditions that facilitate degradation of key parts of the developed interaction between the viral-envelope spike protein and the ACE 'receptor' after the former has actively bonded to the original 'targeted receptor' site on the membrane-bound enzyme to which it originally bonded. The 'co-drug' is a small molecule that actually targets separation that 'de-facilitates' injection of the viral RNA genome through the developed complex -- and if something with this action is not present, the net effect of the chloroquine is peripheral at most.
Hydroxychloroquine apparently does little to reduce either the induction or the subsequent 'runaway' of the immune-system action that creates ARDS. Since this is almost completely the action that leads to lethality 'from' COVID-19 at this point, it follows that once the infection has progressed to the degree of overt symptoms, most of the prospective value of the hydrochloroquine is essentially of the same value as 'the altitude above you, the runway behind you, and the fuel still residing in the truck'.
Meanwhile the death rate from H1N1 still runs at about 100:1 of that actually caused by SARS-CoV-2. But since that's presented as 'only the flu' and we supposedly have shots to stop it (so it's essentially your fault as an antivaxxer if you fail to obtain protection every year) that's not important enough to target as its own 'pandemic'.
Meanwhile: the Japanese are testing a conserved polymerase inhibitor for SARS-Co clones in Israel, Saudis and Chiese have identified nine botanical sources of a specific-acting 3CLpro inhibitor (and others have designed a precise-docking safe inhibitor for synthesis, effective serological testing is about to be mainstreamed, and substantially nonintrusive tests for viral-particle contamination of mucous membranes -- better than the current crop of wacky 63%-accurate swab tests our skilled research personnel have cobbled up to date -- are not too far in the offing. With those in production we can shift attention to social-distancing those at greatest risk of actually dying from effects of this novel virus, while the rest of society can get back to pretending it won't or can't put firmer response mechanisms in place for the real coming pandemic that is surely coming.
Where's the Bromo-Quinine when we need it?
I take a biologic alpha TnA inhibitor, my immune response may be different than some. Who knows ,right?
The bigger issue is that I have an MP15AC that pops its low water button and shuts down but only during the last move of the day. You can pound on the engine all day and its fine, at the end of the day it shuts down. It does restart and runs fine though...
Randy
Randy StahlThe bigger issue is that I have an MP15AC that pops its low water button and shuts down but only during the last move of the day. You can pound on the engine all day and its fine, at the end of the day it shuts down. It does restart and runs fine though...
I occasionally have a similar problem, where my "low beer" button pops near the end of the day. I can always restart and run fine for a period of time, though it is important to rectify the problem at an appropriate servicing terminal as soon as it is safe to do so.
NKP guy As to the Original Thread here... My "Condition" is fine for the moment. It's my haircut that looks to be in a bad condition. Things are so dire that Lady NKP has been watching YouTube videos on cutting men's hair. Fortunately she has a costume wig to practice on. For those here who still have hair to cut...how are you going to manage another month or so of long hair and closed barber shops?
For me this is fabulous, I get to let it grow out as long as I've always wanted it...when you have a fat face longer hair makes your face look smaller, and most of the time at work they don't make me follow the rules of it not being below the base of the collar(stupid rule since females can have it 2 inches below, they're being sexist, I should point that out)...otherwise when someone does decide to enforce that rule I just put it up in a man tail. I always looked better with longer hair anyways. They could stay closed for another two months or more, I can trim those areas that need it myself, which is only around the ears and the side burns.
VIRUS LIVING VERSUS NON-LIVING
What I notice about life is that it always drives to procreate. It seems that with animals, their only purpose is to procreate and so they live a hard life only to do that one ultimate objective.
Viruses also procreate as though that is actually an objective. Animals are alive, so we can see their drive to procreate as being an intention rather than just a random act like a rock falling off a cliff. So this raises the question of whether viruses too have an intention to procreate. If they have that intention, they are not merely "poisonous dust" as some say. Also, if viruses have an intention to spread, it raises to a higher level, the question of how we fight them, compared to if they are just inanimate particles without intent.
I notice that the scientific view of this tends to be a solid, settled conclusion that viruses are non-living, whereas others may consider the question to be unanswered. Here is an excellent article on this basic question:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/
Euclid VIRUS LIVING VERSUS NON-LIVING What I notice about life is that it always drives to procreate. It seems that with animals, their only purpose is to procreate and so they live a hard life only to do that one ultimate objective. Viruses also procreate as though that is actually an objective. Animals are alive, so we can see their drive to procreate as being an intention rather than just a random act like a rock falling off a cliff. So this raises the question of whether viruses too have an intention to procreate. If they have that intention, they are not merely "poisonous dust" as some say. Also, if viruses have an intention to spread, it raises to a higher level, the question of how we fight them, compared to if they are just inanimate particles without intent. I notice that the scientific view of this tends to be a solid, settled conclusion that viruses are non-living, whereas others may consider the question to be unanswered. Here is an excellent article on this basic question: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/
COSMOS The biological age, the age of life in the cosmos, is where NASA focuses much of its efforts for finding life elsewhere. From the story of life here, we know that it was very simple for most of the 3.5 billion years that it existed: one-celled organisms dominated for almost 3 billion years. According to the theory of evolution, there is no directive for life to become complex with time. It can, but it could just be bacteria all the way. Complex organisms may form as they did here, but they require a set of unusual conditions, from planetary stability (orbital, weather, etc.) to proper atmospheric composition — not so easy to find around. That life here evolved to generate a species with cognitive awareness is almost surprising. But, hey, here we are! The cognitive age may have started elsewhere in the galaxy or in other galaxies, but in our planet it is quite recent — only a few hundred thousand years old. Maybe because I've been re-watching Star Wars with my kids recently, it's hard to imagine that we are it when it comes to life and, more to the point, intelligent life. On the other hand, as one starts to look at all the necessary steps to go from non-life to cognition, it's also hard to imagine that intelligent life is widespred.
The biological age, the age of life in the cosmos, is where NASA focuses much of its efforts for finding life elsewhere. From the story of life here, we know that it was very simple for most of the 3.5 billion years that it existed: one-celled organisms dominated for almost 3 billion years. According to the theory of evolution, there is no directive for life to become complex with time. It can, but it could just be bacteria all the way. Complex organisms may form as they did here, but they require a set of unusual conditions, from planetary stability (orbital, weather, etc.) to proper atmospheric composition — not so easy to find around.
That life here evolved to generate a species with cognitive awareness is almost surprising. But, hey, here we are! The cognitive age may have started elsewhere in the galaxy or in other galaxies, but in our planet it is quite recent — only a few hundred thousand years old. Maybe because I've been re-watching Star Wars with my kids recently, it's hard to imagine that we are it when it comes to life and, more to the point, intelligent life. On the other hand, as one starts to look at all the necessary steps to go from non-life to cognition, it's also hard to imagine that intelligent life is widespred.
Randy Stahl I take a biologic alpha TnA inhibitor, my immune response may be different than some. Who knows ,right? The bigger issue is that I have an MP15AC that pops its low water button and shuts down but only during the last move of the day. You can pound on the engine all day and its fine, at the end of the day it shuts down. It does restart and runs fine though... Randy
BaltACD Euclid VIRUS LIVING VERSUS NON-LIVING What I notice about life is that it always drives to procreate. It seems that with animals, their only purpose is to procreate and so they live a hard life only to do that one ultimate objective. Viruses also procreate as though that is actually an objective. Animals are alive, so we can see their drive to procreate as being an intention rather than just a random act like a rock falling off a cliff. So this raises the question of whether viruses too have an intention to procreate. If they have that intention, they are not merely "poisonous dust" as some say. Also, if viruses have an intention to spread, it raises to a higher level, the question of how we fight them, compared to if they are just inanimate particles without intent. I notice that the scientific view of this tends to be a solid, settled conclusion that viruses are non-living, whereas others may consider the question to be unanswered. Here is an excellent article on this basic question: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-viruses-alive-2004/ COSMOS The biological age, the age of life in the cosmos, is where NASA focuses much of its efforts for finding life elsewhere. From the story of life here, we know that it was very simple for most of the 3.5 billion years that it existed: one-celled organisms dominated for almost 3 billion years. According to the theory of evolution, there is no directive for life to become complex with time. It can, but it could just be bacteria all the way. Complex organisms may form as they did here, but they require a set of unusual conditions, from planetary stability (orbital, weather, etc.) to proper atmospheric composition — not so easy to find around. That life here evolved to generate a species with cognitive awareness is almost surprising. But, hey, here we are! The cognitive age may have started elsewhere in the galaxy or in other galaxies, but in our planet it is quite recent — only a few hundred thousand years old. Maybe because I've been re-watching Star Wars with my kids recently, it's hard to imagine that we are it when it comes to life and, more to the point, intelligent life. On the other hand, as one starts to look at all the necessary steps to go from non-life to cognition, it's also hard to imagine that intelligent life is widespred.
I know what you mean. When looking out into space and knowing that it has to be infinite, it is impossible to grasp. How can something go on forever? And if it does not go on forever; how can it stop with nothing beyond? If this is something else beyond, that either has to go on forever or stop. But it it stops, there has to be someting beyond that, and that has to go on forever, or stop and be replaced by something else. This is the problem with infinity of space and time. They defy comprehension, but yet they have to be. They intrude and will not be ignored.
Going deeply into that is enough to make a person tip over.
Euclid How can something go on forever, and how can it stop with nothing beyond?
Time and space are infinite. The only reason there aren't more celestial bodies in view is because a) they aren't bright enough or b) the light hasn't gotten here yet, even though that supernova occured billions of years ago.
You're right. Most people can't wrap their heads around it.
As for a virus - it may not meet the requirements for being alive, but it is certainly able to meet the requirement for preservation of the "species."
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Randy: I think your problem is: You do not need a mechanic..
You need a psychiatrist!
[Where is spel-czech when you need him?]
Looking for that early "quit..."
divebardave My health have not a cold in 6 years which is a bad thing at late 40s which means that the next cold will be a doisy...Aortic Anerosim,HBP& 711 food and cheap beer at the train station on the run.
Dave: Better check that diet[just a'tip]'....I understand, that one of the' things' that the COVID19 virus feeds on in the human body, is high blood sugar. (?) Wobble water, and bread: feedin' the beast!
mudchicken Randy Stahl I take a biologic alpha TnA inhibitor, my immune response may be different than some. Who knows ,right? The bigger issue is that I have an MP15AC that pops its low water button and shuts down but only during the last move of the day. You can pound on the engine all day and its fine, at the end of the day it shuts down. It does restart and runs fine though... Randy Blue Collar Yard Goat
Randy: I think the answer to your problem is:
You need a psychiatrist, not a mechanic for that MP15AC...
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