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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, November 11, 2019 2:01 PM

I was surprised to learn recently that this project has been quietly moving forward for some time, even though it does not appear to have official regulatory approval yet from Canadian authorities.

For those not familiar with the area, Baffin Island is located in the northeast part of the Canadian Arctic, between the Hudson Bay and Greenland.  It is Canada's largest island, and the fifth largest island in the world.

If built, the Baffinland system will be the northernmost railway in the world.

http://www.baffinland.com/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_River_Mine

Latest news:

https://nunatsiaq.com/stories/article/baffinlands-massive-railway-based-sealift-angers-pond-inlet/

Initial locomotive lease agreement:

https://www.stb.gov/recordations.nsf/f8e6632940c078dd85256b70005e5183/ea4f6c62512e7711852581aa00717409/$FILE/32759.pdf

If that link doesn't work this one should:

https://www.stb.gov/recordations.nsf/f8e6632940c078dd85256b70005e5183/ea4f6c62512e7711852581aa00717409?OpenDocument

A locomotive at the GE/Wabtec Erie plant:

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, November 11, 2019 2:21 PM

Oh, mining!  

I've certainly heard of Baffin Island but had no idea there was mining going on up there.  Learn something every day...

If that's the Baffinland locomotive paint scheme it'll sure be easy to spot!

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Posted by Overmod on Monday, November 11, 2019 5:11 PM

It's a balmy -24 in Mary River tonight, but the good news is that it will have risen to a sunny -14 by Wednesday.

Of course, that's degrees C, so not quite as bad as it looks...

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, November 11, 2019 5:28 PM

Overmod

It's a balmy -24 in Mary River tonight, but the good news is that it will have risen to a sunny -14 by Wednesday.

Of course, that's degrees C, so not quite as bad as it looks...

Good to see it's still summer up there!

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Posted by NDG on Monday, November 11, 2019 5:43 PM
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Posted by York1 on Monday, November 11, 2019 6:01 PM

Overmod

It's a balmy -24 in Mary River tonight, but the good news is that it will have risen to a sunny -14 by Wednesday.

Of course, that's degrees C, so not quite as bad as it looks...

 

 

We're almost two thousand miles south of there and we're going to be -14C (6°F) tonight.  It's cold outside, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, November 11, 2019 6:07 PM

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Overmod

It's a balmy -24 in Mary River tonight, but the good news is that it will have risen to a sunny -14 by Wednesday.

Of course, that's degrees C, so not quite as bad as it looks...

We're almost two thousand miles south of there and we're going to be -14C (6°F) tonight.  It's cold outside, and I don't care what anyone else thinks.

You guys probably have a hurricane prairie wind too!

I am sitting in the midst of a Chinook right now.  It was -25°C last night, is currently just below freezing, and should be about +5°C tomorrow.

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Posted by York1 on Monday, November 11, 2019 6:21 PM

I think our advantage over you guys is that we will only have this for a day or two before we get back to just cold.  You get it for the next four or five months.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Monday, November 11, 2019 6:31 PM

Yep, last winter we had several weeks straight were the temperature did not get above -20°C.  Nightly lows dropped below -40. 

But we have it easy compared to those poor guys up north.  A winter night on Baffin Island is about as extreme as it gets, and you also have to watch out for Polar Bears!

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, November 11, 2019 6:43 PM

I have one grad student working up there. Luvs it. Surveyor.

FYI -19C here , -2.2 F , only downhill from here and it will start rising again in May. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, November 11, 2019 7:05 PM

I hope you gents are enjoying all that global warming.  It was 67 degrees F here today.  Virginia summers don't go without a fight!

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, November 11, 2019 7:16 PM

SD70Dude

Yep, last winter we had several weeks straight were the temperature did not get above -20°C.  Nightly lows dropped below -40. 

But we have it easy compared to those poor guys up north.  A winter night on Baffin Island is about as extreme as it gets, and you also have to watch out for Polar Bears!

 

Do you also have the weather dorks that go on and on about the wind chill factor?  "Temps tonight will reach 40 below, but with the wind chill factor, it will seem liken 300 below..."

I found an online conversion for celsius to fahrenheit. I learned something new: -40 celsius is the same as -40 fahrenheit. -40 is the coldest temperature I've ever experienced, when I was 10 years old and lived in Alaska. They made school optional that day because of the cold. Through 5th grade, when we moved, that was the only school day we had called due to weather.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Monday, November 11, 2019 7:17 PM

Overmod

It's a balmy -24 in Mary River tonight, but the good news is that it will have risen to a sunny -14 by Wednesday.

Of course, that's degrees C, so not quite as bad as it looks...

 

Sure, but it's a dry cool.

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Posted by Gramp on Monday, November 11, 2019 7:21 PM

Miningman

FYI -19C here , -2.2 F , only downhill from here and it will start rising again in May. 

My personal HVAC doesn’t take a liking to hot and humid, so I like living in more northern climes. I don’t think I could hack the winters you folks have, though. What do you do, hibernate?

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, November 11, 2019 7:45 PM

It is difficult to get up in the mornings when it's cold forever, especially as you get on in years. Another tough aspect is you go to work in the dark and come home in the dark. We are way up there, sub Arctic, so our daylight hours are quite short. The cold is much harder to handle as well, it really can be quite uncomfortable. 

Getting good attendance and motivating students daily is also a challenge. 

Looking forward to a good home cooked meal gives you hope. 

The float planes have converted to skis already. 

Everyones in the same situation up here so we just buck up and keep going. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Monday, November 11, 2019 8:44 PM

I learned a little rhyme recently to help us Fahrenheit users figure out the Celsius scale.  By the way, does anyone still call it "Centigrade?"

Goes like this...

"30's hot, 20's nice, 10 is cold, 0's ice!" 

That helps.

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Posted by tree68 on Monday, November 11, 2019 9:10 PM

I've managed to memorize that 10C is 50F, 20C is 68F, 30C is around 90F (still to danged hot).

Of course, 0C is 32F, after that I don't remember until -40, which is the same on both scales.

This does come in handy if I'm listening to a radio station from across the River.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, November 11, 2019 10:52 PM

Tree:  30 C is 86 F.  For us the interval is  5c = 9 F .  So 0C +32F.  so the 5C increments go in progression  32, 41, 50. 59, 68, 77, 86. 95, 104.  For our medical gurus what is the "standard temp" in C for humans and does it make you wonder who came up with that number ? 

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Posted by NDG on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:28 AM
FYI.,
 
Hottest Day.
 
On August 10, 2018 it was 40.2 C,  ( 104.3 F. )  Highest Recorded temperature.
 
Visibility Poor account smoke from forest fires.
 
Electra.   IATA: YXC, ICAO: CYXC
 
 
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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 4:33 AM

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Tree:  30 C is 86 F...

Hence, "around."  Although I may remember that landmark now.

98.6F is 37C.  I had to look that up - it's not something we in EMS usually concern ourselves with, other than the patient feels overly warm or cool...

Celsius is easy - freezing to boiling water.  Fahrenheit is more arbitrary - zero was actually based on the freezing point of a brine solution, and Mr F used 96 as his best estimate of human body temperature.

Curiously, it appears that Mr F used the coldest temperature in his hometown that year (around 1724) as the zero point, and then tweaked the scale from there.

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Posted by 54light15 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:17 AM

As we used to say on Lawn Gyland, "Hot enough faw yuh?" the reply was always, "It ain da heat, it's da humiddidy." 

 

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:35 AM

54light15

As we used to say on Lawn Gyland, "Hot enough faw yuh?" the reply was always, "It ain da heat, it's da humiddidy." 

 

 

 

There's a lot of truth in that!  

Back in 1976 I was at the Marine base of 29 Palms CA.  Around mid-May the temperature at noon was typically 100 degrees, but since the desert air was so dry it didn't bother anyone at all, aside from the initial shock of walking out of an air-conditioned building into the heat.  A minute or two, and I didn't notice.

The reverse is also true.  One Christmas a few years back I was visiting my brother's home in Divide CO.  I stepped out side for a smoke wearing nothing more than a flannel shirt and when I came back in he asked me "Guess how cold it is?"  then pointed me to a window thermometer reading 14 degrees!  Again, the air was so dry at that altitude (9,500 feet) I didn't feel the cold at all.

"It ain't da heat, it's da humididdy!"  Truer words were never spoken!

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Posted by cv_acr on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 9:46 AM

tree68

Celsius is easy - freezing to boiling water.  Fahrenheit is more arbitrary - zero was actually based on the freezing point of a brine solution, and Mr F used 96 as his best estimate of human body temperature.

Curiously, it appears that Mr F used the coldest temperature in his hometown that year (around 1724) as the zero point, and then tweaked the scale from there.

The story I heard before (possibly apocryphal/urban legend) is Mr. Fahrenheit based 100F on body temperature but he wasn't feeling well the day he made his measurement. ;)

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:30 PM

cv_acr
The story I heard before (possibly apocryphal/urban legend) is Mr. Fahrenheit based 100F on body temperature but he wasn't feeling well the day he made his measurement. ;)

Given the arcane standards he selected, I wouldn't doubt it.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 12:46 PM

Apparently 0°F is supposed to be the freezing point of a equal mix of ice, water, and ammonium chloride salt. 

Here is a map of which countries currently use Fahrenheit (green).  In Canada even the railroads have converted to Celsius.

File:Countries that use Fahrenheit.svg

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 1:11 PM

So when you go overseas their thermometers have 37 as normal and above  40 is dangerous.  ( 98.6 and 104 ) .  For math gurus the conversion is  1C = 1.8F .  To follow the ICAO standard the US weather service finally converted. When the US weather service changed their reporting system hardware the reporting stations now give temp in 1/10 of a degree C on the expanded format.  so the math gets harder converting to F.   conversion is .1C = .18 F.  Example

METAR: KATL 121752Z 32024G33KT 10SM BKN020 03/M02 A3010 RMK AO2 PK WND 33033/1749 SLP196 60006 T00331022 10061 20022 51010

Report shown BKN020 the 03 is rounded temp in C. The M02 is the dew point,  The next shown is T0033 giving the temp as 3.3C.   

NOW  METAR: KORD 121851Z 29004KT 10SM FEW030 M09/M17 A3046 RMK AO2 SLP329 T10891172

This ORD  Metar gives temp as minus 09 (rounded)  and the actual temp as minus 8.9 C.  The 1 just after the T means a minus and a 0 means +

 

So tree your closes is Griffits.

METAR: KRME 121853Z 29017G23KT 10SM SCT037 BKN046 M04/M08 A3004 RMK AO2 PK WND 29028/1831 UPE06SNB06E17 SLP178 P0000 T10391078

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Posted by York1 on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:13 PM

SD70Dude

Apparently 0°F is supposed to be the freezing point of a equal mix of ice, water, and ammonium chloride salt. 

Here is a map of which countries currently use Fahrenheit (green).  In Canada even the railroads have converted to Celsius.

File:Countries that use Fahrenheit.svg

 

 

It doesn't bother me at all.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 2:14 PM

Price and demand for steel way down, not sure why anyone would be interested in iron ore out of Baffin Island now or into the forseeable future. But who knows.. maybe its one fo those "build it and they will come" scenarios..  

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Posted by SD70Dude on Tuesday, November 12, 2019 3:07 PM

From their website, Baffinland's current operations:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfP4JheT8gw

Those haul trucks must burn a massive amount of diesel fuel.

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