Attention: Shadow the Cat's Owner

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Attention: Shadow the Cat's Owner
Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 6:48 PM

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When a carrier like Prime or KLLM or Stevens all whom use IM shipments extensively start to switch over to containers I will pay attention.

 

May we have your attention please..

https://www.kllm.com/transport-services/intermodal-transport/

610 reefer rail intermodal containers for KLLM!

 

 

 

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Posted by csxns on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 7:04 PM

Their will be some excuse that it want work.

greyhounds
610 reefer rail intermodal containers for KLLM!

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 9:27 PM

Both of you need to read the sides of the containers again they are a joint venture between FFE and KLLM combined those are less than 10 percent of the combined trailers of the 2 companies about 10 percent of their trades for the year combined. 

 

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Posted by greyhounds on Tuesday, July 30, 2019 11:49 PM

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Both of you need to read the sides of the containers again they are a joint venture between FFE and KLLM combined those are less than 10 percent of the combined trailers of the 2 companies about 10 percent of their trades for the year combined.

Oh, good grief.  KLLM and FFE are the same company under common private ownership.  The FFE brand has been retained for specialized operations, such as refrigerated LTL.  The FFE over the road operations, which are what is rail compatible, were merged in to KLLM six years ago.

Those are KLLM refrigerated rail containers.

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 7:35 AM

Under the eyes of the FMCSA they are still considered 2 different carriers with seperate DOT#'s insurance plans and by LAW different BOD's unless they are fully merged then they are considered the same carrier.  Trust me Jerry Moyers does the same thing to protect his butt with his Central Refrigerated Knight and Swift carriers all are legally owned by him but have the same differences listed above and legally are considered 3 different carriers even though you will see a Swift Trailer pulling any of the 3 trailers going down the road.  The same thing with the Crete pair Crete and Shaffer legally 2 different carriers.  It's a holdover from the ICC days that still affects the OTR industry in terms of paperwork.

 

My bosses acid tanker fleet is considered a different carrier by the FMCSA when I file the IFTA paperwork I literally have to file 2 full sets of it one for the van and puenmatics and one for the acid boys.  Yet they are maintained in the same shop as the rest of the fleet.  Oh yeah the paperwork can be fun at times dealing with the FMCSA and DOT.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:03 AM

Yes, but... Mischief

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 8:44 AM

Shadow the Cats owner

 you will see a Swift Trailer pulling any of the 3 trailers going down the road.  

 

That must be  quite a sight to  behold!  Sure saves on fuel. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 9:11 AM

charlie hebdo

 

 
Shadow the Cats owner

 you will see a Swift Trailer pulling any of the 3 trailers going down the road.  

 

 

 

That must be  quite a sight to  behold!  Sure saves on fuel. 

 

THREE trailers?  Does it at least have a caboose?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:07 AM

The third trailer in a triple does not always track very well and can swing all over the place during a lane change.  They may be cheaper to operate but can be quite hazardous to others on the road.

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:21 AM

She said, "any of the three trailers".

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:37 AM

I have yet to see a trailer,  Swift or her little outfit's,  pulling another trailer.  Y'all needs a tractor,  pal. 

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:04 AM

I guess I assumed to know what she meant.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 11:48 AM

charlie hebdo
I have yet to see a trailer,  Swift or her little outfit's,  pulling another trailer.  Y'all needs a tractor,  pal. 

I have seen triple 27 foot trailers being hauled in a number of locations.  I have not seen double or triple 53 footers.

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Posted by Paul of Covington on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 12:00 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
The third trailer in a triple does not always track very well and can swing all over the place during a lane change.

   I have noticed that even with double trailers, the rear one tends to fish-tail a little with slight steering corrections.

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Posted by Gramp on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 4:46 PM

A trucker friend of mine calls them wiggle wagons. Detests them.

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Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:30 PM

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Both of you need to read the sides of the containers again they are a joint venture between FFE and KLLM combined those are less than 10 percent of the combined trailers of the 2 companies about 10 percent of their trades for the year combined. 

 

I'm not getting that vibe from reading the article and looking at both websites(KLLM's and FFE's) as there is not a single mention of intermodal on the FFE site, this entire intermodal offering is from KLLM, and if you want to read between the lines, then just look at the graphics of those two logos(they're practically identical, which regardless of rules indicates that the two companies are operated as "one"), which isn't that hard to imagine, it happens in numerous industries so nothing unusual.  I'm not an expert and I'm not going to dispute your other statements, just pointing out the obvious.

Also notice that they specifically mention 3500 total trailers and 611 intermodal containers, further evidence that this is strictly being handled by KLLM(which makes it the equivalent of 20% of the trailer fleet of KLLM).

 

BaltACD
 
charlie hebdo
I have yet to see a trailer,  Swift or her little outfit's,  pulling another trailer.  Y'all needs a tractor,  pal. 

 

I have seen triple 27 foot trailers being hauled in a number of locations.  I have not seen double or triple 53 footers. 

I have seen a double 53 once, in the U.S.(wwill not speak of another other country where this is quite common though if interested you can look it up on YouTube).

As for whether or not refrigerated intermodal is a game changer all you need to do is look towards our northern neighbor's two railroads and see how many 53' refrigerated containers they own(they also have the advantage of a two tier weight limit for two different seasons and selling intermodal directly to customers as retail operations as opposed to wholesale only like the U.S. railroads do).

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 5:40 PM

BaltACD

 

 
charlie hebdo
I have yet to see a trailer,  Swift or her little outfit's,  pulling another trailer.  Y'all needs a tractor,  pal. 

 

I have seen triple 27 foot trailers being hauled in a number of locations.  I have not seen double or triple 53 footers.

 

We have doubles and triples in eastern S.D. where the speed limit on open the interstate highways is 80 m.p.h. yee-haw!

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 6:10 PM

I see triple pups and double 53's on the Ohio Turnpike all the time.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 6:21 PM

GERALD L MCFARLANE JR

I'm not getting that vibe from reading the article and looking at both websites(KLLM's and FFE's) as there is not a single mention of intermodal on the FFE site, this entire intermodal offering is from KLLM, and if you want to read between the lines, then just look at the graphics of those two logos(they're practically identical, which regardless of rules indicates that the two companies are operated as "one"), which isn't that hard to imagine, it happens in numerous industries so nothing unusual.  I'm not an expert and I'm not going to dispute your other statements, just pointing out the obvious.

Also notice that they specifically mention 3500 total trailers and 611 intermodal containers, further evidence that this is strictly being handled by KLLM(which makes it the equivalent of 20% of the trailer fleet of KLLM).

 

You're arguing out of both sides of your mouth here.  First you say that it's all KLLM, then you say that the logos are the same and it's basically the same company.  You also need to look at the websites more closely.  Check out terminal locations.  Over half of the locations listed on the Op's link are actually FFE locations.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, July 31, 2019 10:06 PM

Interesting 'conversation'; particularly, for a long-retired OTR driver.  The term 'Wiggle Wagons' was coined many years back to indicate a 'pair of short trailers {about 22 ft/ea. around that time}.

For over twenty years in states that have 'turnpikes [closely connected after short distances] ; all manner of multiple trailer combinations have been accepted for transit on those roads, and short connector routings. My first set of 'doubles' were a pair of 45's from Chicago to Boston (actually, started in Indiana, and 'broke' them at Oh/Pa for transit on NYT to 'break' Framingham, Ma. for a final dely to Boston))

 Here in Kansas [Kansas T-pike] we see triple 'pup' sets, and combinations with a couple of 45/48(?) boxes; occasionally, mixed box sets, but not often. 

I have yet to see any of the KLLM/FFE container boxes on any of the BNSF's trains; although their standard reefer and occasional dry boxes are frequent riders, in both directions through here. The posted linked ad for KLLM/FFE says they are capable of a loading of 44,500 lbs.  I'd hate to be the one to have to 'scale' a box with that load for OTR travel. Whistling

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:07 AM

samfp1943
I have yet to see any of the KLLM/FFE container boxes on any of the BNSF's trains; although their standard reefer and occasional dry boxes are frequent riders, in both directions through here. The posted linked ad for KLLM/FFE says they are capable of a loading of 44,500 lbs.  I'd hate to be the one to have to 'scale' a box with that load for OTR travel. Whistling

From my observations, one of the hallmarks of railroad intermodal, TOFC etc. - containers/trailers go to the rails when they know the vehicles can pass everything on the road except a scale.

Railroads don't price container/trailers on a weight basis only on a per box basis, for the most part.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:54 AM

BaltACD
 

From my observations, one of the hallmarks of railroad intermodal, TOFC etc. - containers/trailers go to the rails when they know the vehicles can pass everything on the road except a scale.

 

 

On a related note...

Every day I commute to work on I-275, the main N-S bypass around Detroit.  I average at least one 160,000# 11-axle gravel train per mile.  Yesterday, I wasn't seeing any.  Then I passed an old, closed rest area and ther MSP weightmasters had set up a portable inspection station...word travels fast by CB.  I still saw some steelhaulers but their lading is more easily weighed at the shipper.  That leads me to believe that double the national limit isn't enough for local trucking companies.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Thursday, August 01, 2019 5:43 PM

Shadow, what I noticed on both FFE's and KLLM's website is the alledged desire to hire drivers. 

FFE's says: WE NEED DRIVERS NOW! 

kllm' says: $5,000.00 signing bonus

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Thursday, August 01, 2019 8:35 PM

KLLM and FFE are 2 of the better mega carrier options to work for however the driver's that I have talked to that left there have painted a less than pretty picture of them.  The sign on bonus they're offering is about standard for larger carrier's anymore just to fill seats. US Express was offering teams 20 grand for each driver last year. 

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Posted by csxns on Friday, August 09, 2019 5:21 PM

Just saw two of the containers on a train on a California cam and lots of KLLM and Frozen Food Express trailers.

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, August 12, 2019 8:07 PM

csxns
Just saw two of the containers on a train on a California cam and lots of KLLM and Frozen Food Express trailers.

Made a trip to Armonk, NY and back today.  Saw several FFE/KLLM containers on the move - behind KLLM tractors.

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Posted by rdamon on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 6:44 AM

Is that by Anorak Big Smile

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 7:42 AM

rdamon
Is that by Anorak Big Smile

No!  You actually have to pass through Connecticut to get there on I-684.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 8:34 PM

Paul of Covington
 
CSSHEGEWISCH
The third trailer in a triple does not always track very well and can swing all over the place during a lane change.

Now think about this - I saw it with a FedEx double on PA Rt. 33 SB that passed me while going past Wind Gap a few years back:
"This Fascinating Railroad Business" (title of 1943 book by Robert Selph Henry of the AAR)
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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, August 13, 2019 10:07 PM

I have towed several trailers - there must be 'adequate' tongue weight on the trailer hitch for the trailer to track straight.

I had one trailer with a very light tongue weight, I had to use a trailer sway bar to even think about keeping the trailer behind me.

 

I am guessing the same principles may apply to commercial trailers - have too much weight on the duals and not enough on the 5th wheel and the trailer will have a mind of its own.

 

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