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News Wire: FRA grant to help fund rebuilding of crucial St. Louis bridge

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Posted by D.Carleton on Thursday, June 20, 2019 9:36 AM

At one time there were four rail crossings of the mighty Mississippi in St Louis...sort of. At any rate, is it time to think about adding a third railroad bridge in the Rome of the West?

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Posted by BLS53 on Tuesday, June 18, 2019 12:54 PM

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BNSF replaced the former CB&Q Lift Bridge over the Mississippi River in the early 2010s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Rail_Bridge

Here is a video of the replacement showing the old bridge floated out of the way and the new bridge floated in to place.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPZQpCvIHw

 

I should clarify that I have little familiarity with bridges north of St. Louis. The bridges, along with MacArthur, are the UP/MP/SSW at Thebes IL, the CN/IC at Cairo, and the CN/IC BNSF UP at Metropolis. All of the them are of similar age and design. All of them carry significant traffic, and all could be considered an "eyesore", if that's a criteria for replacement. 

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Posted by zardoz on Monday, June 17, 2019 10:39 AM

kgbw49
Here is a video of the replacement showing the old bridge floated out of the way and the new bridge floated in to place. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPZQpCvIHw

BNSF sure tested the strength of the new bridge with the train shown at about 15 seconds into the video (8 locomotives!)

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Posted by kgbw49 on Monday, June 17, 2019 5:28 AM

BNSF replaced the former CB&Q Lift Bridge over the Mississippi River in the early 2010s.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington_Rail_Bridge

Here is a video of the replacement showing the old bridge floated out of the way and the new bridge floated in to place.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oyPZQpCvIHw

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, June 16, 2019 6:43 PM

For the most part - railroad bridges were designed to withstand the pounding that steam engines imparted on their structure - in comparison, diesel powered trains do not give the bridge structure the same kind of impact loading.  The impact loading of the steam engine would be several times the load of just the axle loading weight.

I am not a bridge engineer so I have no real idea of how the design criteria the bridges were constructed for in the steam era actually compare to the ever increasing loads of todays' cars and locmotives.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, June 16, 2019 5:15 PM
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Posted by BLS53 on Sunday, June 16, 2019 4:58 PM

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I would rather they replace the bridge then attempt to extend it's lifespan.   It is an eyesore at best and I think they could do better with traffic fluidity with a triple track or quad track span over the river.     Also the speed limit on the bridge is ridiculously slow for passenger trains.....just my two cents.

 

One man's eyesore is another man's link to his past. 

Truth be told, about every railroad bridge across the Mississippi and Ohio rivers, is well past it's prime. Most are over 100 years old. Meanwhile, the highway bridges are relatively new. The railroads don't seem too interested in replacing bridges. 

 

 

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Posted by CMStPnP on Friday, June 14, 2019 7:40 PM

I would rather they replace the bridge then attempt to extend it's lifespan.   It is an eyesore at best and I think they could do better with traffic fluidity with a triple track or quad track span over the river.     Also the speed limit on the bridge is ridiculously slow for passenger trains.....just my two cents.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, June 14, 2019 12:11 PM

This is a highly important project (in fact, I thought it had already been funded as important).  If I recall correctly, the point of "replacing" the existing structure is to facilitate installation of a true ballasted deck on at least critical parts of the bridge and approach structure, and I think there are online discussions of the project that have been posted in these forums before (probably around the time of the project funding for the east-end bottleneck approach -- I don't have the patience to look to see)

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Posted by Brian Schmidt on Friday, June 14, 2019 9:36 AM

Federal, TRRA funds will replace girders on MacArthur Bridge, primary route across Mississippi River

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/06/13-fra-grant-to-help-fund-rebuilding-of-crucial-st-louis-bridge

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