BaltACD Ulrich I don't think the moon landing and PTC can really be fairly compared. The moon landing was a massive effort involving the entire country and its resources. PTC is not a national effort.. it is a significant undertaking nonetheless but without comparable public resources available to make it happen. And PTC is a system that has to work well indefinitely once implemented.. the moonshot, on the other hand was initially a one time endeavor where everything had to work just exactly right for that one very finite mission. It may not be the proper comparison, however, that is the one the gets thrown in the face of those explaining why it has taken 'so long' to bring PTC to reality.
Ulrich I don't think the moon landing and PTC can really be fairly compared. The moon landing was a massive effort involving the entire country and its resources. PTC is not a national effort.. it is a significant undertaking nonetheless but without comparable public resources available to make it happen. And PTC is a system that has to work well indefinitely once implemented.. the moonshot, on the other hand was initially a one time endeavor where everything had to work just exactly right for that one very finite mission.
It may not be the proper comparison, however, that is the one the gets thrown in the face of those explaining why it has taken 'so long' to bring PTC to reality.
Try that line of 'reasoning' with the folks at NASA.
Let's not forget the other costs
https://www.space.com/17338-apollo-1.html
UlrichI don't think the moon landing and PTC can really be fairly compared. The moon landing was a massive effort involving the entire country and its resources. PTC is not a national effort.. it is a significant undertaking nonetheless but without comparable public resources available to make it happen. And PTC is a system that has to work well indefinitely once implemented.. the moonshot, on the other hand was initially a one time endeavor where everything had to work just exactly right for that one very finite mission.
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BaltACDThe come back for some, is that Man got to the Moon less than 10 years after Kennedy laid down the challenge.
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I don't think the moon landing and PTC can really be fairly compared. The moon landing was a massive effort involving the entire country and its resources. PTC is not a national effort.. it is a significant undertaking nonetheless but without comparable public resources available to make it happen. And PTC is a system that has to work well indefinitely once implemented.. the moonshot, on the other hand was initially a one time endeavor where everything had to work just exactly right for that one very finite mission.
For PTC to be implemented it had to be invented and developed to a production level product for use by multiple carriers under a myriad of differing conditions.
The come back for some, is that Man got to the Moon less than 10 years after Kennedy laid down the challenge.
Were 'Man to the Moon' to have been a PTC type mandate, there should be routine 'passenger trips' available to the public to the Moon and return, in perfect safety.
Space travel, even today, is nowhere near 'perfectly safe'; 40 years after the first trip to the Moon.
When Congress decided in 2008 to mandate the nation’s railroads install positive train control, railroads initially had less than a decade to bring the technology to fruition. But, first, they had to develop it since there was no off-the-shelf...
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2019/04/29-why-did-it-take-so-long-to-roll-out-ptc-because-it-had-never-been-done-before
Brian Schmidt, Editor, Classic Trains magazine
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