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Musk unveils Boring Company's first high-speed Tesla tunnel

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, December 27, 2018 12:48 PM

American engineers tended to be more pragmatic with an ability to think on their feet when things didn't go as planned.

Isn't that the the definition of "American know-how?" You could say it applies to American soldiers in two world wars. 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, December 27, 2018 7:02 AM

I would venture to say that Musk's proposal is not that different from other proposals of all kinds to ease congestion.  It just moves the congestion from one place to another.

Elon Musk reminds me of the differences between French and American engineers as described by David McCullough in "The Path Between the Seas".  French engineers viewed themselves as men of science who could overcome any obstacles by using scientific technique.  American engineers tended to be more pragmatic with an ability to think on their feet when things didn't go as planned.

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Posted by JoeBlow on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 7:07 PM

In most subterranean projects, the actual tunneling is the cheapest part. It is the building of the entry/exit points (terminals). 

Has anyone ever done a real study on his claims that his technology cuts costs? Aren't tunnel boring machines already as automated as the economics will make sense?

 

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 5:25 PM

Do you suppose he listened to On the Town lyrics 

"New York, New York, a wonderful town

The Bronx is up and the Battery's down

The people ride in a hole in the ground

New York, New York, it's a wonderful town! 

With the technology that the Tesla cars have, providing a fleet to travel through a tube that has no traffic variables should be a piece of cake. So the tunnel would have a dispatch system to stage the cars for loading and then dispatch into the tunnel on close headways which are determined by demand. They accelerate to speed following the previous car. At the terminal, they fan out to docking spots, and get reversed and sent back to the other terminal. Vehicles could hold up to 20 passengers + luggage. I think it is very doable. Something like a modern Morgantown system. But I have not seen anything in his proposals about handling what if's. Is there provision for evacuation of people in the event of something failing? Where will the emergency exits be? What if power fails in a vehicle? What if a battery fire occurs? ETC. What ventilation will be provided. I remember Montreal's subway in 1967 when I went to Expo and the heat that the rubber tired cars generated because there was insufficent ventleation. As long as he address all the potential issues, I hope he succeds. He has done much of what he proposed. 

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Posted by spsffan on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 4:02 PM
Yes. He built a 1.14 mile tunnel. Big whoop. What do you do with the cars once the exit the tunnel and get stuck in traffic. What do you do about the line of cars waiting to get into the tube. Heck, the new train related thing here is talk about light rain in the Sepulveda Pass (I-405). But as those who drive it regularly know, the pass itself tends to move along reasonably well. It's getting to and from the freeway that goes through the pass that is the much bigger problem. Just wait until all these so called self driving cars that must abide by the rules start appearing on the roads. The only reason traffic moves at all around here is because human drivers bend the rules to make it happen. Good thing I'm not opposed to a good long walk. Often, it's faster.
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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, December 26, 2018 10:51 AM

jeffhergert

So, will we control the implanted chip or will the chip control us?

Jeff

 

Poor choice of words Jeff.  We will be given the opportunity to become integrated  into the new system, reaping benefits of new synergies heretofore not available to us.

 

Think "Quayside" in Toronto, and how much "more rewarding" it will be to actually be part of the community than just a resident within it. Cool

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, December 24, 2018 2:13 PM

Yes, make us do things that no sane, rational person would ever do. Like look at trains, for example. 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, December 24, 2018 1:24 PM

No... we will need extra thick tinfoil hats so the hackers can't hack into our chips and steal our inner identities.  Or worse yet, make us do things we normally would not do.

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Posted by rdamon on Monday, December 24, 2018 1:15 PM

Guess our tin foil hats will be no good now ...

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Posted by jeffhergert on Monday, December 24, 2018 12:58 PM

So, will we control the implanted chip or will the chip control us?

Jeff

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Posted by Euclid on Monday, December 24, 2018 11:07 AM

Just what we need, a chip for more left brain thinking. 

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Posted by 54light15 on Monday, December 24, 2018 10:02 AM

I think the chips will be implanted in our wrists. Make for easy payments, head of the line priveleges, first pick of seats at the show. People in Sweden are doing it, so I'm told. 

For better, eh? Funny! 

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Posted by Convicted One on Sunday, December 23, 2018 1:45 PM

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54light15
And look at what he wants to do with our brains. Why the hell do people listen to this clown? 

 

Gee, I don't know. What made you want to post a link to it? The answer might have some relevance to your motive(s).

I actually think that brain-implanted chips are inevitable, for better or for worse. 

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Posted by 54light15 on Sunday, December 23, 2018 10:32 AM

And look at what he wants to do with our brains. Why the hell do people listen to this clown? 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/dec/23/elon-musk-neuralink-chip-brain-implants-humanity 

 

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Posted by rdamon on Saturday, December 22, 2018 10:36 AM
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Posted by CMStPnP on Friday, December 21, 2018 5:03 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH
I tend to greet most of Elon Musk's concepts with a great deal of skepticism.  He doesn't seem to be aware of the costs involved in boring a tunnel of any appreciable length, like his proposal for a similar tube between the Chicago Loop and O'Hare.  He also seems to have an abiding faith in the ability of technology to solve the world's social problems.

I actually think he is attempting to guess what the next transportation innovation will be so that he can point to this past record of bull crap and say it was his invention / idea all along........possibly claiming royalties? 

He does spend a lot of money on this stuff.   I have a hard time believing that people will actually accept to being what amounts to a tunnel rat in an automobile with no outwardly visible escape routes if something goes wrong.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, December 21, 2018 11:19 AM

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I realize he's a promoter, and promoters are often fast and loose with the truth.  At the same time though, he's pushing the boundaries of what's possible outward.  Look what Jobs did with communication, and his "Just one more thing".  I see a Tesla here and there, and it dawns...no tailpipe.  Beautiful looking design.  Self-driving elements.  He's driving the auto industry.  Where might these other ventures lead?

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Posted by Gramp on Friday, December 21, 2018 10:46 AM

I realize he's a promoter, and promoters are often fast and loose with the truth.  At the same time though, he's pushing the boundaries of what's possible outward.  Look what Jobs did with communication, and his "Just one more thing".  I see a Tesla here and there, and it dawns...no tailpipe.  Beautiful looking design.  Self-driving elements.  He's driving the auto industry.  Where might these other ventures lead?

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, December 21, 2018 9:43 AM

As long as governments give grants to charlatans, Musk will be there. I mean, who wouldn't want to drive long distances in a tube? Sounds like fun! Say, where's the bathroom? 

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Posted by RailRoader608 on Friday, December 21, 2018 9:04 AM

Elon is one of the world's best marketing men.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, December 21, 2018 8:45 AM

I tend to greet most of Elon Musk's concepts with a great deal of skepticism.  He doesn't seem to be aware of the costs involved in boring a tunnel of any appreciable length, like his proposal for a similar tube between the Chicago Loop and O'Hare.  He also seems to have an abiding faith in the ability of technology to solve the world's social problems.

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Musk unveils Boring Company's first high-speed Tesla tunnel
Posted by Gramp on Thursday, December 20, 2018 10:54 PM

A retractable gear turns a Tesla into a rail-guided train and back.  Are railroads and transit going to let themselves be left at the station?

https://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/boring-company-tunnel-unveiling/

 

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