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Correcting track guage ?
Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, April 23, 2018 9:54 PM

Today CSX was performing track work on a curve near here.  Investigation revealed that work consisted of removing spikes from the inside curve rail, applying some kind of track jack that could pull or push tracks closer or further apart, Then spikes were driven into tie plates using previously unused spike locations and then old holes filled with wooden tie hole fillers.

The results although preliminary seems to have decreased wheel / rail noise significantly especially the high pitched squeal of many wheels on the rail.

Question is this technique often used or is this something new ?   The rail jack consisted of some kind of bi diectional hydraulic jack connected by rods on each side that had a "U" shaped bracket on the ends that could either push or pull the loose rail ? 

Maybe someone who has attended a wheel / rail symposium can enlighten ?  PDN ?

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, April 23, 2018 11:44 PM

Common - hardly new. Section crews have been spike lining and gauging for years. Usually standard equipment in most section trucks. Darned ties start wearing out in the curves faster these days. (Aldon catalog picture, worm gear threaded mechanical-not hydraulic)

Image result for rail gauge pullerNice to see that you quit looking at those highly over-rated shiny things long enough to study what goes on underneath on the railroad.WinkWinkWink

Tighten the gage, cut down the angle of attack of the wheels,cut down truck hunting and the trucks behave and quiet down. Just don't tighten the gage too much.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 9:17 AM

     Do they put ties closer together in areas that see more wear and tear- like curves and such?

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 2:07 PM

No - you still have to tamp and index the ties. 24 ties/rail length (19.5" centers)most places....occasionally 20-22 in some lightly used backtracks if a certain railroad allowed it.

High wear areas got oak hardwood ties (curves, turnouts, x-ing frogs etc) and tangent/ light wear was assigned to the softwood (fir/pine) ties...and the really tough stories got Azobe (if you had the tools, patience and the $$$$)

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:00 PM

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Then spikes were driven into tie plates using previously unused spike locations and then old holes filled with wooden tie hole fillers.

I take it the old holes were just filled with something to seal them and keep the water out?

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 3:34 PM

Usually wooden tie plugs or cedrite type liquid hardening filler.

http://www.rrtoolsnsolutions.com/trackFiller/SpikeFast.asp (this stuff's polymer predecessor from the '80s was a nightmare and turned out to be hazardous)

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 4:57 PM

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Usually wooden tie plugs

I remember seeing a stick of tie plugs on our MOW vehicle - took me a while to figure out what they were...

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 6:44 PM

Gee, those sure are funny lookin' square Lincoln LogsDunce

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 9:47 PM

mudchicken

Usually wooden tie plugs or cedrite type liquid hardening filler.

http://www.rrtoolsnsolutions.com/trackFiller/SpikeFast.asp (this stuff's polymer predecessor from the '80s was a nightmare and turned out to be hazardous)

 

Now I'm curious. Does that filler allow you to put the spike back in the same hole- more or less-  and extend the life of the tie?

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 24, 2018 10:19 PM

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mudchicken

Usually wooden tie plugs or cedrite type liquid hardening filler.

http://www.rrtoolsnsolutions.com/trackFiller/SpikeFast.asp (this stuff's polymer predecessor from the '80s was a nightmare and turned out to be hazardous)

 

 

 

Now I'm curious. Does that filler allow you to put the spike back in the same hole- more or less-  and extend the life of the tie?

 

 

The stuff was harder than the wood around it. You could try, but it ain't supposed to be used like that, doesn't put enough friction on the cut spike. Because of the condition of the surviving wood, the filler + spike comes out of the tie looking like a push-up bomb-pop still attached to the tie plate.

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Posted by BigJim on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 9:16 AM

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took me a while to figure out what they were...


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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 11:55 AM

I seem to recall (Getting harder all the time) in Tehachapi in the 90's there was some sort of angle bar where the ties met teh rails in the curves. Was this to prevent the rail from rolling over?

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:19 PM

Rail braces ....The same as used on turnouts  at the point of switch. Trying to slow down adverse rail cant under tonnage (age old problem with the physics of railroading)

Answer to the question is yes, and with the advent of pandrol clips and D-E/McKay clips, you don't see them much anymore.  (a pain to deal with during rail changes and transpositions)  

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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 12:44 PM

Thanks ..  I am sure they used everything possible in the pass.

When I was a kid the MoPac was changing rails to CWR by my house. The crew let me walk along with them and install the rail plugs. Geeked

 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, April 25, 2018 8:26 PM

mudchicken
No - you still have to tamp and index the ties. 24 ties/rail length (19.5" centers)most places....occasionally 20-22 in some lightly used backtracks if a certain railroad allowed it.

ConRail industrial track specs used to be 20 ties/ 39' rail length = 1.95' = 23-3/8" tie spacing for tangents and curves up to 8 degrees; 24 / 39' for curves over 8 deg. or where specified = 19-1/2" spacing. 

Otherwise, pretty much "+1" to what MC said, esp. the wheel-rail screech dynamics. 

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