Well, the update at end of the linked story answers one question I had been pondering. I've always wondered if the Class ones pay attention to Trains magazine, or if it was predominantly a fan-zine. Clearly the magazine's assertion that Ohio was "underserved from the west coast" caught someone's eye at NS.
Regarding traffic developed by the subject agreement...over the past several years I don't recall seeing many "all container" trains coming in over this line.....perhaps just a few.
It's been almost two years. Did CPR ever make it to southern Ohio?
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I've only recently learned of CP's filing with the STB over a trackage-rights agreement with IHB over NS: https://www.stb.gov/filings/all.nsf/ba7f93537688b8e5852573210004b318/9fd8201d80d907e3852580e2007481a5/$FILE/242797.pdf
The planned service over G&W does not utilize the track in question, CP-502 to Gibson Yard. Still, one wonders how this fits into the whole picture.
VerMontanan Why are these NEWSWIRE items pasted in the Forum? One can comment on the NEWSWIRE side already. Having the same thing in two places only serves to dilute the number of responses and interactions between readers.
Why are these NEWSWIRE items pasted in the Forum? One can comment on the NEWSWIRE side already. Having the same thing in two places only serves to dilute the number of responses and interactions between readers.
You must be a subscriber to read or comment on NewsWire, whereas, Forum is open to anyone. Comments on NewsWire tend to be one-and-done, unlike the Forum which is set up to make it easy to follow a thread, and contnue the conversation.
Does anyone know when this service will begin?I have seen a few CF&E trains in NW Indiana and have not seen any intermodal. I cannot imagine a dedicated intermodal train operating yet, but perhaps the volume is there.
Thanks for help on this.
Ed
MICHAEL KLASSAt the time the CF&E was acquired from CSX, I was the Midwest Region Marketing Director for RailAmerica. We put together some interesting moves with connecting shortlines. We had some regular buisness with the WLE between their customers and Chicago.We also had a 5 shortline route with HESR, TSBY, AA, IORY andCFE from the thumb of Michigan to Chicago for scrap metal. It beat CSX on price and transit time. The oddest one was Chcicago to Evansville via CFE, IORY, CIND and ISRR. CSX hated us, but it was all legal under the sale agreement.
CSX hated us, but it was all legal under the sale agreement.
I thought that CSX just leased the former PRR to the shortline, with fairly stiff limitations on the number of trains that the shortline can run per day? Six if memory serves.
Was that the Fred Green era?
I had always wondered why CP did not partner with the web of shortlines to extend their market reach into the Upper Midwest north of the Ohio River.
If one looks at the CP as a gigantic "tree", with the stump at Vancouver, BC and the trunk extending to Moose Jaw, from there two "stems" head off to Toronto and Chicago, with "branches" heading from those locations to Montreal, Buffalo and Detroit.
Now they can add southwestern Ohio as another "branch" from Chicago.
Interestingly, with the CFE they might be able to partner with other short lines such as the WLE to extend reach to northeastern Ohio. While they have trackage rights through Cleveland now, they can't stop to serve anybody.
I guess the question there is if the WLE is actually cleared for doublestacks or not.
Jeffersonville, OH is strategically located between the Columbus OH metropolitan area with a population of approximately 2.1 million and the Cincinnati, OH metropolitan area with a population of approximately 2.1 million.
CSSHEGEWISCH It will be interesting to see how this pans out. CPR already has an ownership interest in the IHB so bypassing Chicago won't be too hard to accomplish.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. CPR already has an ownership interest in the IHB so bypassing Chicago won't be too hard to accomplish.
see linked article @ http://www.gcdailyworld.com/story/1260577.html
"Indiana Rail Road to buy portion of Canadian Pacific Railway's tracks"
The sale of the Latta Subdivision is expected to close in the first half of 2006, pending approval of the U.S. Surface Transportation Board. The sale includes trackage rights over CSX from Chicago to Terre Haute and from Bedford to Louisville, Ky. Terms were not disclosed, but the sale will generate a modest gain for CPR and is part of the company's continuing efforts to streamline operations and drive efficiency..."
Seems that someone's crystal ball might have been somewhat clouded at reading the future at CPR, 10 years back?
addendum: Anyone interested in some pretty good reading about "doings" on the Latta Sub of the CTH&SE can read about them in the "Latta Laments" by Mike Dettmers, and his time as a Dispatcher for Canadian Pacific on the Latta Subdivision.
They are 'housed' in the Haley Tower.org /Wabash Valley Railroader's Museum, In Terre Haute(IN.) Their website @ http://www.haleytower.org/x/laments/index.html
At the time the CF&E was acquired from CSX, I was the Midwest Region Marketing Director for RailAmerica. We put together some interesting moves with connecting shortlines. We had some regular buisness with the WLE between their customers and Chicago.We also had a 5 shortline route with HESR, TSBY, AA, IORY andCFE from the thumb of Michigan to Chicago for scrap metal. It beat CSX on price and transit time. The oddest one was Chcicago to Evansville via CFE, IORY, CIND and ISRR.
CSX hated us, but it was all legal under the sale agreement. It was hard to get the western Class I's to work with us becuse they didn' want to upset CSX or NS. At the time, it was possible to move east of Chicago as far as Buffalo, Rochester, Pittsburgh and Connelsville by combining some of 27 shortlines and regionals, without touching a Class !.
Those were fun times.
Close to Columbus and Cincinnati, and really not all that far from Indy and Louisville.
It will be interesting to see how this pans out. CP already has an ownership interest in the IHB so bypassing Chicago won't be too hard to accomplish.
Hope this is good for Fayette County.
Certainly sounds like a major winner for CP even if it is just more defective junk from China.
Will someone please send over a tailor and show them that we do not have "Asian" profile bodies, how to make room in the crotch area and make socks that last more than one or 2 cycles of wash.
Buy American or Canadian made IF you can find it and afford it.
I like having these NEWSWIRE items here because I feel it enhances the ability of readers to interact with each other.
You can insert references to other items, quote specific portions of others responses, and there are simply more readers here than on NEWSWIRE.
I had been waiting for this idea long before Brian posted these links.
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
"A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable
"O. S. Irricana"
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Mark Meyer
Too bad (for G&W) the Butler branch isn't there anymore to connect the TP&W to the CFW&E.
CALGARY, Alberta — Canadian Pacific is extending the reach of its international intermodal service into the Ohio Valley through a partnership with a pair of Genesee & Wyoming regional railroads. The Chicago, Fort Wayne & Eastern Railr...
http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/2017/10/11-gw-cp-intermodal-ohio
Brian Schmidt, Editor, Classic Trains magazine
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