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The case of the really short line....

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:33 PM

Unless you have a sidetrack covered under an Elkins Act Contract, hope you can find a nearby team track. Otherwise, not happenin' bubbawits!

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This common carrier obligation could I as a private citizen call up the railroad have them spot a railroad car and I could fill it with my junk and send it to whereever? (In the hopes that they lose the car and I can get rid of all this stuffBlindfold)

 

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, June 15, 2017 7:31 PM

Unless you have a sidetrack covered under an Elkins Act Contract, hope you can find

CandOforprogress2

This common carreier obligation could I as a private citizen call up the railroad have them spot a railroad car and I could fill it with my junk and send it to whereever? (In the hopes that they lose the car and I can get rid of all this stuffBlindfold)

 

a nearby team track. Otherwise, not happenin' bubbawits!

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Thursday, June 15, 2017 12:15 PM

This common carreier obligation could I as a private citizen call up the railroad have them spot a railroad car and I could fill it with my junk and send it to whereever? (In the hopes that they lose the car and I can get rid of all this stuffBlindfold)

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Posted by RME on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 2:28 PM

Murphy Siding
I read that, but I don't think I understood it. What is the railroad trying to accomplish or get away with? Also, the way it's worded I can't seem to figure out if they do or don't want to carry toxic inhalant cargo.

The argument is that they do not want to accept any TIH cargo, because they claim their insurance premiums will be unacceptably high.  Note that it appears at present that the government intends to make them carry TIH whether or not they can do so cost-effectively net of all coverage ... one would think that simply passing along all marginal cost of TIH shipments to a prospective customer would serve, but 'odd duck' Riffin has not taken up that approach, which leads me to wonder what the specific game he now has in mind might be.  (MC and some others can provide detailed explanations of some of the clever things Riffin has tried to accomplish  with his "railroads" over the years...)

As a peripheral issue, it may be interesting to see how the common-carrier mandate plays out when there isn't a generally-accepted-as-safe method of providing carriage for hazardous substances -- as, for example, in the case of non-degassed Bakken crude in any practical rail vehicle subject to derailment -- or if any practical scheme for rail transportation of LNG is developed (in which case I think much of the Court's argument in the quoted decision may come back to bite the Government).

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Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 12:52 PM

What about the Steel Mill railroads like South Buffalo Ry. & Newburgh and South Shore?

who where basicaly inplant railroads who shuffled hot coke and hot steel around. Somehow there where wholly owed but but seperate enities of US Steel and Bethaham Steel. Some of the Steel Mill roads had some outside custumers but these custumers also fed the mills as well.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, June 14, 2017 7:11 AM

We've got a local businessman/railfan who bought a boxcar, painted it for his business, and it's now sitting on the last remnant of track in that area (it was a siding off some street running - track now removed).  He refers to it as the world's shortest railroad, tongue planted firmly in cheek.

A historic line in the Adirondacks was just seven tenths of a mile long - any longer would have required the rails to be under water.  The Marion Carry Railroad ferried passengers (and an occasional rail car) between two lakes where the lake steamers couldn't navigate the stream connecting them.  The locomotive and one open passenger car are on display at the Adirondack Museum.  At least one freight car is at the bottom of one of the lakes, its float having capsized...

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 9:54 PM

Don't feel like the lone ranger Murphy, Riffin has a way of confounding and annoying people because of his screw-loose behavior. Courts have found him in contempt, STB has placed a gag order and blacklisted him. NS and CSX/CR have nothing nice to say about him. He's off in his weird/ wonky world doing his DonQuixote thing.

One odd duck.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 7:17 PM

     I read that, but I don't think I understood it. What is the railroad trying to accomplish or get away with? Also, the way it's worded I can't seem to figure out if they do or don't want to carry toxic inhalent cargo.

Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.

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Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 5:31 PM

STB will not allow it to happen if it is somebody trying to cheat or game the system.

Balt's comment is spot on with so many of these smaller tries. Latest being the "new" Iowa River Railroad, Inc., all 3116 feet of it (0.59 miles) out in the weeds...Ackley Iowa towards Geneva   (ERCC(1866);Iowa Central/M&StL/CNW/NCRA(1989)

M&StL 9th District (Marshaltown-Mason City)

Riffin, one odd duck.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:47 PM

Wow, and I thought our Guelph Junction Railway of 18 km was short.. 

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Posted by richg1998 on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:40 PM

Interesting.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 4:10 PM

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Apparenlty a Chem factory owner wanted to operate his own railroad...all 800 feet of it https://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/A855BEA08CA5BF4485257C0F004D611F/$file/11-1480-1463025.pdf

They wanted to be a Common Carrier without being a Common Carrier as well as not filing all the required information.

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The case of the really short line....
Posted by CandOforprogress2 on Tuesday, June 13, 2017 2:35 PM

Apparenlty a Chem factory owner wanted to operate his own railroad...all 800 feet of ithttps://www.cadc.uscourts.gov/internet/opinions.nsf/A855BEA08CA5BF4485257C0F004D611F/$file/11-1480-1463025.pdf

 

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