Considering the large size of the rail network, where are we going to find enough people to stay awake and watch everything, every hour of the day?
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daveklepper Correction: I am presenting the original author's statement, not making the prediction myself.
Correction: I am presenting the original author's statement, not making the prediction myself.
http://israelbehindthenews.com/fight-mosul-expect-isis-take-war-us-soil/15237/
Correction: I am presenting the original author's statement, not making the prediction myself. I am asking if the prediction is justified. So far, the answer seems no from most people posting. Having been away from the USA for 20 years, possibly other readers have a better idea of what the answer is.
Also, ISIS so far has not directly attacked Israel, only broadcast its hatred. Attacks have come from terrorists egged on by current Palestinian and/or Iranian leadership.
EnzoampsI don't understand how the second amendment covers a bomb under the seat of a commuter train, but then I lack insight.
Mr Klepper stated -" reprisal against civilian lives can be expected"
So long as I take out at least two of them before they get me I consider that "progress"
schlimm Enzoamps I guess I don't understand how the second amendment covers a bomb under the seat of a commuter train, but then I lack insight. Israel is an armed camp, with enemies sworn to destroy her right next door. America is not that. terrorists took down the World Trade Center, and hit the pentagon, but those are high visibility targets. I have zero fear they will blow up the Capitol Limited between Pittburgh and Cleveland. I don;t feel the lack of metal detectors and someone inspecting my shoes to get on that train. WHy not blow up the DC Metro right under the mall? How would security go about preventing that? Inspect everyone who enters the system? Metal detectors everywhere? What if two separate people carry bottles of relatively innocent precursors to nerve gas? They meet in the depot/station/ rail car/wherever, mix their chemicals, et voila, ricin gas. We need to inspect every foot of track every day, because a bomb under a bridge could take out an Acela train. Having sidearms on every passenger doesn;t stop those threats. But why would they blow up a commuter train when they could bring down a loaded 747? I don't fear terrorists at the local grade school, I fear the estranged father out to get at the wife. I fear the deranged teenager who stole grandpa's rifle. COULD ISIS come to my town? Sure. Are they likley to? No. When I was younger, people hijacked airplanes to Cuba. With relations thawing between the USA and Cuba perhaps it is less of a problem, but I really doubt anyone ever hijacked a train to Cuba. Well said. A note of factual sanity in a maelstrom of fear-mongering hysteria for political gain
Enzoamps I guess I don't understand how the second amendment covers a bomb under the seat of a commuter train, but then I lack insight. Israel is an armed camp, with enemies sworn to destroy her right next door. America is not that. terrorists took down the World Trade Center, and hit the pentagon, but those are high visibility targets. I have zero fear they will blow up the Capitol Limited between Pittburgh and Cleveland. I don;t feel the lack of metal detectors and someone inspecting my shoes to get on that train. WHy not blow up the DC Metro right under the mall? How would security go about preventing that? Inspect everyone who enters the system? Metal detectors everywhere? What if two separate people carry bottles of relatively innocent precursors to nerve gas? They meet in the depot/station/ rail car/wherever, mix their chemicals, et voila, ricin gas. We need to inspect every foot of track every day, because a bomb under a bridge could take out an Acela train. Having sidearms on every passenger doesn;t stop those threats. But why would they blow up a commuter train when they could bring down a loaded 747? I don't fear terrorists at the local grade school, I fear the estranged father out to get at the wife. I fear the deranged teenager who stole grandpa's rifle. COULD ISIS come to my town? Sure. Are they likley to? No. When I was younger, people hijacked airplanes to Cuba. With relations thawing between the USA and Cuba perhaps it is less of a problem, but I really doubt anyone ever hijacked a train to Cuba.
I guess I don't understand how the second amendment covers a bomb under the seat of a commuter train, but then I lack insight.
Israel is an armed camp, with enemies sworn to destroy her right next door. America is not that. terrorists took down the World Trade Center, and hit the pentagon, but those are high visibility targets. I have zero fear they will blow up the Capitol Limited between Pittburgh and Cleveland. I don;t feel the lack of metal detectors and someone inspecting my shoes to get on that train.
WHy not blow up the DC Metro right under the mall? How would security go about preventing that? Inspect everyone who enters the system? Metal detectors everywhere? What if two separate people carry bottles of relatively innocent precursors to nerve gas? They meet in the depot/station/ rail car/wherever, mix their chemicals, et voila, ricin gas. We need to inspect every foot of track every day, because a bomb under a bridge could take out an Acela train. Having sidearms on every passenger doesn;t stop those threats.
But why would they blow up a commuter train when they could bring down a loaded 747? I don't fear terrorists at the local grade school, I fear the estranged father out to get at the wife. I fear the deranged teenager who stole grandpa's rifle. COULD ISIS come to my town? Sure. Are they likley to? No.
When I was younger, people hijacked airplanes to Cuba. With relations thawing between the USA and Cuba perhaps it is less of a problem, but I really doubt anyone ever hijacked a train to Cuba.
Well said. A note of factual sanity in a maelstrom of fear-mongering hysteria for political gain
I agree with you both. Hear! Hear!
Well said. A note of factual sanity in a maelstrom of fear-mongering hysteria for political gain.
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daveklepperThis is a time that American citizens should turn to the US government and US Congress and support candidates who will protect our second amendment privileges
There, "fixed".
schlimmwhich have little likelihood of reaching a solution as long as outsiders meddle and prop up the opposing actors.
THAT really is the main problem. Which is how we have made ourselves target.
CSSHEGEWISCHSacrificing our constitutional rights for perceived safety is an action nobody should be expected to perform.
+1
I only wish more Americans had the clearness of sight to see things the way you do. Well done sir.
To set the reocord straight, I moved fro New York City to Jerusalem in the summer of '96. In addition to NY, considerable portions of my life were spent in Cambridge, Mass., For Bragg, NC, Westmont, IL., and Detroit and its suburb Southfieild. Before 1996, I visited Israel often, starting in 1960. Born in NYC in Jan.'32. Been to all 48, but not Hawaii or Alaska.
Glad to know the current extent of security at USA schools. Seems OKto me.
That Mayor Daley quote is appropriate since I just learned that Tom Hayden passed away. Not many of the Chicago 7 are left anymore.
"The police are not here to create disorder, they're here to preserve disorder." - Richard J. Daley
Seems the more police we have to more Crime there is...The public will push back when the boot is on there head.
One of the principles of war is surprise. It gets old, and terrifying, really quickly. This is what Israel has endured. To think that any other self-respecting populace insisting on some rudimentary security and predictability won't adopt their methods ere long is a bit naive, methinks.
A quote with which Brother Klepper may not be familiar:
"I would never attack mainland America. There would be a rifle behind every blade of grass." Isoroku Yamamoto, FAdm, IJN.
Granted that New York City's law-abiding population has long been disarmed, out here in the Old West there are many places, including major cities, where one can go about one's business with iron on both hips. Only the Federal controls on transportation prevent that from extending to planes and trains.
Judging by the news, a lot of would be and wannabe ISIS/ISIL fighters have been having close encounters with a very effective anti-terrorist underground. Before long, they'll surpass drug users as the major part of our prison population...
Chuck
JEEZE! Where to start? Talk abut potentially, politically charged... Dave Klepper deserves an answer As an American ex-Pat, who by his own admission has lived in Israel and abroad for 46 years.
So my guess is, his experience with life here is not much more current than maybe Vietnam era, or Post Vietnam era. Certainly, things have changed, and possibly drastically in his experiences. Especially, since 9/11/2001; He does not mention traveling back here for visits; I would assume he has been back, but unknown how familiar he is with the current civil and political climate in the USA.
Starting with his last question,first: As to Public Transportation; Out here in Central Kansas, some local communities and counties have some local bus transportation services ( some free and some by subscripton(?). Wichita has an intra-city, governemt sponsored/fare supported bus operation. And of course, most families have their own personal transportation resources. Guards, my guess, is that the police respond to incidents as needed(?). Can't speak to presence of private security forces; I know some are armed and some are not, depending on how their services are contracted. I work (parttime) at the local VA Hospital, They are served by an armed, Federal Uniformed Police Dept. One does seem to see a growing number of armed civilians (Constitutional Carry [Open and CC] legal here in Kansas). Certainly, a difference in daily living, as compared to some living in or around some of the country's Major urban areas?
As to the Local Public Schools and Universities: It seems that there are requirements for ID Badges ( worn on neck lanyards). Most Public Schools have one 'monitored' entrance during school hours, and some schools monitor students coming in at start, and end of schiool day ( Teachers assigned to Doorways).
Many schools have a local Police Dept supplied, armed 'Resource Officer' during school hours. Security at local University's seems to be 'very casual' to the observer. They seem to have Police, but what their specifics beyond traffic control are, I have no idea.
Lastly: Various Police organizations in the area seem to be in a constant battle for funds, and more personnel. Generally, the only time the Police might be on foot is at a particularly, and constantly, troublesome area. The rest of the time, they seem to cruising about in their vehicles. They will get out to write a violation ticket.
As to the airport security. It seems to vary from facility to facility(?) The bigger the facility, the more enforcement types are present. My experiences date back to times prior to 9/11 and were with the omni-present security at JFK Airport in NYC. Particularly, with the presence of security at El Al there. They did an excelent job of protecting their facility and personnel.
I liked the good old Near East, somebody else's problem, not ours.
Here in Israel we do face the kind of attacks this newspaper man is referring to. Putting aside the conditions in the West Bank and in Gaza, where one must look over one's shoulder and be very careful in what one says, even in very private situations, in Israel i do not believe the kind of security measures he is recommending have led in any way to a police state. There are newspapers and TV and radio commentators who crticize government policies, and some cases their salaries are actually paid from tax revenues earmarked for specific services and programs. What it would involve is what has been discussed already, extending the kind of security one experiences at airports to other locations of massive gatherings of people. It is not a question of a police state but rather a loss of personal freedom through great inconvenience. in israel, railroad stations are guarded like airports, and people and luggage do pass through detectors. But the national railroad system is a closed system, grade crossings are very few in number, and I don't think this journalist realizes how difficult this idea would be to apply to the USA long-distance, corridor, and commuter networks.
My understanding that some Universities in the USA and Canada started doing this several years ago, that entry to their campuses requires a security check. I think grade schools and kindergardens specifically should have this kind of security in North America.
At the same time, common sense could be applied, rather than political correctness at all costs. I've been going in and going out of the Hebrew U. campus for the last 20-1/2 years. A lot of the security guards know me. So most of the time, I breeze right through. When one stops me I know he is new on the job, and a patiently wait while my briefcase is opened. possibly even my laptop, and identification examined. Even at my own Yeshiva, i sometimes have to explain to a new guard who I am and go through this procedure. But this does not make me feel that I am living in a police state. Instead, I feel safer.
But I also feel safe riding the light rail system. It is a completely open system, like a typical streetcar system, with no barriers. But the combination of plain-clothed security guards, uniformed guards that are also fare-control inspectors, the general level of good police protection, the fact the most Israeli men are veterans and many continue to carry weapons in civilian life, means that incidents are few and usually handled with the efficiency needed to protect life and health. (As a USA Army vet, I could have applied for a gun license, but I chose not to, and now I am probably over-age.)
Not sure about the "centuries of war" being more prevalent in the Mideast in contrast with European/US history since 1500. However, several flashpoint issues exist, one since 1945, which have little likelihood of reaching a solution as long as outsiders meddle and prop up the opposing actors.
So-called security measures are often early steps toward a police state.
The inhabitants of the Middle East are genetically defective!
They have no compromise gene as the rest of humanity does. The have been at war with each other since the dawn of recorded history and most likely will continue those actions until the end of humanity.
If a wall needs built, it is around the Middle East, with a dome to make sure the hate doesn't bubble over the top of the wall.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
I side with Ben.
Norm
We have nothing to fear but fear itself.
As horrific as the attacks of 9/11 were, in fact, they were very limited. I don't think some of these folks realize just how big this country is.
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Sacrificing our constitutional rights for perceived safety is an action nobody should be expected to perform.
As an American who has lived in Israel for 46 years, since the age of 20, and as a journalist who has covered sensitive security matters for the past 30 years, I feel an obligation to share security concerns with America at this time.
Based on experience with the civilian front at war in Israel, there are levels of precaution and preparedness that it would be worthy – and could be life saving – to share with the US at this time.
Why now?
Because the current US led military attack on the city of Mosul, the jewel of the Islamic State and its last stronghold in Iraq, may generate ISIS reprisals against US citizens on US soil.
This is a time that American citizens should turn to the US government and US Congress to demand that precautionary measures be adopted throughout the country.
One of the cardinal rules of thumb in the Middle East culture of conflict is that reprisal against civilian lives can be expected, even if, and sometimes preferably if, the revenge may cost the life of the attacker.
This not a time to engage in denial.
Expect such an attack from a determined foe like the Islamic State.
What are some standard security measures taken in Israel – as a matter of course – that can be implemented to help US citizens cope with the premonition of terror attacks?
-All modes of transport must be protected with guards, especially intercity trains.
-Guards must be immediately placed at all public buildings, places of worship, hospitals, campaign rallies, sporting events, restaurants, amusement parks and major hotels
An increase in security guards at all of these venues would be vital. A particularly vulnerable target is the local elementary school and playground, because of the perceived helplessness of children who make easy prey for terrorists.
Guards must eyeball everyone as they ask security questions – the technique used at Ben Gurion Airport. Shifting pupils in the eye may tip off a guard that something is not right.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/19657
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