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Expanding the Wisconsin and Southern into Iowa.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Sunday, September 25, 2016 6:37 PM

Potential future State of WI track ownership:

Shawano branch

New London branch

Denmark branch

Luxemburg branch

Medford branch

Ashland branch above Bradley

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:25 PM

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$20 million for the repairs of that Wisconsin River Bridge.  A new Mississippi River Bridge will cost a lot more.   Iowa Northern?  They run from Manley to Cedar Rapids - not too many connections there(over CP to Marquette?).

I was thinking operational flexibility as well as connections.    It's not a W&S owned rail line, it is state owned........W&S just operates over it.    Thats one thing to keep in the back of our minds here.

With a bridge across the river some more doors open for Wisconsin and transportation.     I think W&S is pretty good at landing business a second cross river connection to CP would allow W&S to offer competition between BNSF and CP on shipping rates to the West.    Specifically with it's new Unit Trains it delivers to BNSF.

Maybe a W&S purchase of Iowa Northern?   Or at least an expansion into Iowa and possibly the Dakotas using state owned lines.

CP Connection at Prarie Du Chien gives it access to a second main across Wisconsin to Milwaukee,  it could use it to divert some freights to free up capacity for future Amtrak Milwaukee to Twin Cities Passenger Trains instead of forcing Wisconsin to pay to upgrade it's own line further North, why not take advantage of this secondary line?     Would that not be cheaper?    

Could also serve as a detour route for both BNSF and CP.

Also if Iowa Northern wasn't acquired it would add connections to BNSF and W&S to the East for freight routing.

 

 

 

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, September 24, 2016 10:23 AM

One thought - W&S would be much more likely to someday pick up operation of more CN branch lines in northeastern and northern WI before they would "jump the Mississippi". There could come a time when CN can't operate some of those lines at 60 OR and may decide to spin them off to the State of WI for operation by a shortline such as W&S.

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Posted by jrbernier on Friday, September 23, 2016 11:09 PM

$20 million for the repairs of that Wisconsin River Bridge.  A new Mississippi River Bridge will cost a lot more.

  Iowa Northern?  They run from Manley to Cedar Rapids - not too many connections there(over CP to Marquette?).

Modeling BNSF  and Milwaukee Road in SW Wisconsin

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 10:34 AM
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Posted by CMStPnP on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 9:56 AM

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Intriguing because of the old pontoon bridge that connected Marquette and Prairie Du Chien that was ultimately dismantled in 1961.  But the costs associated with such a proposal would greatly outweigh the economic benefits.   

You would think that money matters but hell, Wisconsin is paying $17 million to fix the Merrimac River Bridge of the W&S, with an additional $3.4 million from W&S........$20.3 million to preserve a line with light traffic.   

http://www.wiscnews.com/baraboonewsrepublic/news/local/article_50c49d7d-6f9a-58b6-b265-c922dceab0f1.html

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 7:06 AM

This sounds like a glorious opportunity for CP to shorthaul itself.  Also, Wisconsin & Southern would be a slow and roundabout way to get to Chicago from Iowa.

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Posted by beaulieu on Wednesday, September 21, 2016 1:10 AM

CMStPnP

I think both Iowa and State of Wisconsin should fund a Mississippi River Rail Bridge at Prarie Du Chien and allow a connection to CP as well as link up with shortlines on the Iowa side of the river.      It would build more bridge traffic on the W&S across Southern Wisconsin and make Iowa rates to the East more competitive. 

For the Iowa Northern? How much traffic would that be?

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Posted by Los Angeles Rams Guy on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 6:40 PM

CMStPnP

I think both Iowa and State of Wisconsin should fund a Mississippi River Rail Bridge at Prarie Du Chien and allow a connection to CP as well as link up with shortlines on the Iowa side of the river.      It would build more bridge traffic on the W&S across Southern Wisconsin and make Iowa rates to the East more competitive.

 

Intriguing because of the old pontoon bridge that connected Marquette and Prairie Du Chien that was ultimately dismantled in 1961.  But the costs associated with such a proposal would greatly outweigh the economic benefits.   

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Expanding the Wisconsin and Southern into Iowa.
Posted by CMStPnP on Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:59 PM

I think both Iowa and State of Wisconsin should fund a Mississippi River Rail Bridge at Prarie Du Chien and allow a connection to CP as well as link up with shortlines on the Iowa side of the river.      It would build more bridge traffic on the W&S across Southern Wisconsin and make Iowa rates to the East more competitive.

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