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VIA to Provide Iowa Commuter Service?

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VIA to Provide Iowa Commuter Service?
Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:08 PM

Among the efforts to increase transportation efficiency in the Johnson County area, a study to determine the feasibility of a passenger rail between Iowa City and North Liberty has been approved.

The $50,000 study is being funded largely in part by CRANDIC and the Iowa Department of Transportation, with help from Iowa City, Coralville, Johnson County, and the University of Iowa. The study was approved June 24.

http://daily-iowan.com/2016/06/29/officials-mull-local-rail/

Follow the link. Notice the photo with the story. 

 

 

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Posted by Buslist on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 12:23 PM

There is NO mention of Via providing this service, just a file photo of a Vis train as the lead!

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 2:36 PM
Typical current journalism. Tell the new grad reporter to find a pitcure to go with a news item. Goes to the web and finds train pic and inserts it into story. No clue as to relevance.
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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 2:40 PM

Victrola1

Among the efforts to increase transportation efficiency in the Johnson County area, a study to determine the feasibility of a passenger rail between Iowa City and North Liberty has been approved.

The $50,000 study is being funded largely in part by CRANDIC and the Iowa Department of Transportation, with help from Iowa City, Coralville, Johnson County, and the University of Iowa. The study was approved June 24.

http://daily-iowan.com/2016/06/29/officials-mull-local-rail/

Follow the link. Notice the photo with the story. 

 

 

 

Not exactly sure about this study?  The mileage for the proposed line is something around 13.5 miles.. Iowa City,Ia. to Coralville,Ia. to N. Liberty, Ia. seem like an exercise in futility. Particularly, when the destination community seems to want no part of it....[comments in OP's original linked article.] 

There has to be more to it than is brought foreward in the "Iowan" article? and the use of a 'stock photo' of a Canadian train 'VIA Rail-The Canadian'- would be a demonstration of either/or a lack of interest, or another example of journalistic incompetence... Blindfold

 

 


 

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Posted by Los Angeles Rams Guy on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:40 PM

Being a native Iowan (and a U of Iowa grad), I'm all for the proposed service.  But what bothers me here is that this particular proposal makes me think that this is something akin to trying to grow a toe without a foot here.  I think something like this would make much, much more sense if there was additional Chicago - Omaha service serving Iowa City on IAIS or on UP's "Overland Route" via Cedar Rapids.  

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Posted by dakotafred on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 4:43 PM

Take note: The Daily Iowan is a college sheet, produced by journalism students.

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Posted by schlimm on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 5:03 PM

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Victrola1

Among the efforts to increase transportation efficiency in the Johnson County area, a study to determine the feasibility of a passenger rail between Iowa City and North Liberty has been approved.

The $50,000 study is being funded largely in part by CRANDIC and the Iowa Department of Transportation, with help from Iowa City, Coralville, Johnson County, and the University of Iowa. The study was approved June 24.

http://daily-iowan.com/2016/06/29/officials-mull-local-rail/

Follow the link. Notice the photo with the story. 

 

 

 

 

 

Not exactly sure about this study?  The mileage for the proposed line is something around 13.5 miles.. Iowa City,Ia. to Coralville,Ia. to N. Liberty, Ia. seem like an exercise in futility. Particularly, when the destination community seems to want no part of it....[comments in OP's original linked article.] 

 

There has to be more to it than is brought foreward in the "Iowan" article? and the use of a 'stock photo' of a Canadian train 'VIA Rail-The Canadian'- would be a demonstration of either/or a lack of interest, or another example of journalistic incompetence... Blindfold

 

Not sure what the market for a commuter service is, either.  

The incorrect use a stock picture of a Canadian train is not a big deal to 99% of the public.  Even a picture of a closer Metra train would be inaccurate as well.  Since CRANDIC is involved in some fashion, a picture of one their old interurbans would have been better.

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Posted by dakotafred on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:23 PM

What they ought to be looking at -- if anything -- is restoration of Crandic's original Cedar Rapids-Iowa City service. Anyone who has driven the 4-lane between those cities would acknowledge the traffic is there ... for the right kind of rail alternative.

The "Corn Belt Rocket" is a will o' the wisp. CR-IC has the potential to satisfy a real need. (With subsidy, of course.)

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Posted by blhanel on Wednesday, June 29, 2016 10:04 PM

dakotafred

What they ought to be looking at -- if anything -- is restoration of Crandic's original Cedar Rapids-Iowa City service. Anyone who has driven the 4-lane between those cities would acknowledge the traffic is there ... for the right kind of rail alternative.

The "Corn Belt Rocket" is a will o' the wisp. CR-IC has the potential to satisfy a real need. (With subsidy, of course.)

 

I doubt that any improvements to Crandic's track to provide passenger service capable of luring people off of I-380 (i.e. fast enough) would be more cost effective and popular than the current plan in the works of changing those four lanes into six.

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Posted by dakotafred on Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:04 AM

I don't know, BL; how much difference does a few minutes' travel time matter between cities 26 miles apart? To escape the hellish shooting gallery that is 380 morning and evening (and sometimes in between)?

For sure, upgrading Crandic and subsidizing a rail service for years and years would be a heckuva lot cheaper than two more lanes of Interstate. (And how many more in the years ahead?)

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Posted by blhanel on Thursday, June 30, 2016 7:50 AM

I know, I'd love to see it happen, too- but there are some insurmountable negatives to overcome with the public.  One big one that comes to mind is the fact that Crandic's CR-to-IC line runs right past the ADM complex (on the east side, to boot)Dead.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:06 AM

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One big one that comes to mind is the fact that Crandic's CR-to-IC line runs right past the ADM complex (on the east side, to boot)

But isn't most of that line almost unused since IAIS changed its yard location and the West 900 project was completed?   That in itself might be a powerful incentive for time-separated railcar use.  schlimm's picture of the 'classic' Crandic car might be a more reasonable depiction than we were thinking!

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Posted by schlimm on Thursday, June 30, 2016 10:41 AM

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One big one that comes to mind is the fact that Crandic's CR-to-IC line runs right past the ADM complex (on the east side, to boot)

 

But isn't most of that line almost unused since IAIS changed its yard location and the West 900 project was completed?   That in itself might be a powerful incentive for time-separated railcar use.  schlimm's picture of the 'classic' Crandic car might be a more reasonable depiction than we were thinking!

 

Perhaps some folks might actually use the trolley to commute to ADM, not just to the university?

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:47 AM

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Perhaps some folks might actually use the trolley to commute to ADM, not just to the university?

That alone is a possibility that should be included in that study, although it appears clear to me that conventional 'passenger rail' is nowhere near as useful in this context as an adaptation of low-floor equipment to "interurban"-style ad hoc stops would be.  Has the project reached an adequate stage of discussion to indicate whether time separation of traffic is practical for this service over 'enough' of the route to make "ADM commuting" practical at the times it would be preferred?

Now to figure out how to make it safe at 85mph speeds... Wink

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Posted by blhanel on Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:51 PM

Overmod

 

 
blhanel
One big one that comes to mind is the fact that Crandic's CR-to-IC line runs right past the ADM complex (on the east side, to boot)

 

But isn't most of that line almost unused since IAIS changed its yard location and the West 900 project was completed?

 

Crandic still uses that section of the north-south line to switch the industries, including ADM, nearly 24/7.  If the commuter service were to be terminated on the north end at the Eastern Iowa Airport, however, Crandic wouldn't mind at all I would guess.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Saturday, July 2, 2016 5:51 AM

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Perhaps some folks might actually use the trolley to commute to ADM, not just to the university?

Now to figure out how to make it safe at 85mph speeds... Wink 

Perhaps the NJ Transit River LINE operation would be a useful example to emulate.  Notably, Diesel Multiple Units are used to function similarly to Light Rail Vehicles without the cost of ovehead electric power lines (catenary).  See:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River_Line_(NJ_Transit)

http://www.nycsubway.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Transit_RiverLine 

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Posted by schlimm on Saturday, July 2, 2016 8:17 AM

Those would be ideal, I would think.  Run as single cars or MU.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 2, 2016 10:01 AM

Question:  Is there likely to be enough traffic to justify operating two or more of those cars in MU as opposed to the same number of cars spaced apart to give more convenient service?  I'm beginning to think that a line like this (running in strict time separation from other traffic) might be a poster child for autonomous vehicles, using machine vision to recognize flag stops (etc.) which would reduce at least some of the overall incremental cost of running multiple separate cars.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:10 AM

Something for the hopper regarding DMUs functioning similar to transit:

Sonoma-Marin Area Rail Transit (SMART) DMUs...

It actually runs on the roadbed of the former Northwestern Pacific that is still a functioning freight hauler - SMART route map...

SMART train at San Rafael Station (still under construction - note canopy bases on the right)...

They went wtih DMU for exactly the reasons mentioned previously in this thread - relatively low start up costs compared to a separate line with catenary as would be needed with light rail.

Farther south in San Diego County, a service called "Sprinter" operates between Oceanside and Escondido on an active freight rail line that is still operational as a freight line during hours when Sprinter is not running. This service also uses DMUs.

Sprinter DMUs...

Sprinter train at a station stop...

Sprinter route map...

Then our friends north of the border in Toronto have started the Union-Pearson Express running from downtown Toronto Union Station to Pearson Airport with DMUs very similar to the SMART DMUs...

Image result for Union Pearson express

The Union Pearson Express is a 25 km (15.5 mile) route with four stops...

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 2, 2016 11:23 AM

But note that two of the three types you illustrated are high-platform-optimized, and the other is implicitly 'mid-platform'. 

Part of the 'innovation' here is the idea that at least some ADA compliance with the old "interurban" practice of stopping along the route for boardings and departures can be achieved with proper low-floor car design (there might only have to be one low-floor section in the train for this to work, so some of the 'underfloor diesel' designs might still be workable).   There would still be fixed stations with platforms, but those would require very minimal construction to be ADA compliant, and should not pose much of a flooding or drainage problem as they would be slightly above 'ballast prism height' probably on vaults.  Adding a new service stop might be comparatively simple, modular, and cheap.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:01 PM

I know they make school buses ADA compliant by equipping them with a lift, which can be time consuming to load but necessary. The Brightline service has developed an automatic ramp that pops out when the doors open to cover the gap between the platform and the car, but that is also high-platform.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 2, 2016 12:49 PM

The thing to remember about buses is that one lift makes them ADA compliant, whereas by statutory interpretation all railcars in a train have to have them, and arguably all doors in a particular section of a car that would open at a given platform height.  That rapidly rules out anything much more involved than a Brightline-style 'gap filler'.  (You may remember some of the interesting discussions regarding the use of ramps, "passenger elevators" and portable person-lifts on the platform to fulfill the ADA mandate over the course of its amendment...)

It will be interesting to see what develops practically for 'zero walkover height' ramp practice in low-floor vehicles operating to "unimproved boarding sites."  There are a number of potential approaches, some of which (somewhat paradoxically) operate better for mid-platform door location than for full low-floor.  There is also, at least technically, the option to lower or compress the vehicle suspension to put the 'low floor' at effective ground level.

At least some of this discussion is 'legal only', as (1) it is highly unlikely that many mobility-impaired people will be found lineside waiting for an interurban, but (2) you can bet your boots that at least one activist with a law firm behind him or her will be highly motivated to try...

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Posted by kgbw49 on Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:34 PM

There is a saying in Minnesota - Uffda.

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, July 2, 2016 1:39 PM

kgbw49
There is a saying in Minnesota - Uffda.

I dated a Norwegian girl; their's is two words but says much the same.

NDG agrees with you, for what it's worth.

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