.....Those are hopper cars?

[Anonymous]

The CP Rail hopper was originaly a slurry car, used around Sudbury, On. According to the Sylvan Scale Model web site (who produce a HO scale model of the car) these cars are now only use as scale test car, or idler car.

[CShaveRR]

As I said, I can find no records on the car, at least as a CACV car. I'd say that the placards are pretty conclusive evidence that it's being used as a tank car, but note that the information near the right end of the sides does not include a DOT specification or anything else you'd expect to see on a tank--that's all dimensional and cubic capacity, which suggests covered hopper to me. A car that relies on air pressure for unloading would certainly be capable of handling a liquid, but I hope they cleaned it first!

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

OK--Here's the information on this strange sausage-shaped car. It was built by General American in 1964 as GACX 30000. It became Delaware & Hudson 12503 in the 1970s (that's where the red color and the ACI label came from). It later went to the Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley (a D&H subsidiary) as CACV 30000, and was renumbered to 3000 when CACV got a bunch of LU cars numbered in the 30000 series.

General American's trade name for the car was "Pressure-Slide".

Did they convert it to a tankcar? If they did not, I wonder why it is placarded 1993.

[jkeaton]

The CP one is/was a scale test car, IIRC it was written up as a kitbashing project some years ago in RMC.

[CShaveRR]

OK--Here's the information on this strange sausage-shaped car. It was built by General American in 1964 as GACX 30000. It became Delaware & Hudson 12503 in the 1970s (that's where the red color and the ACI label came from). It later went to the Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley (a D&H subsidiary) as CACV 30000, and was renumbered to 3000 when CACV got a bunch of LU cars numbered in the 30000 series.

General American's trade name for the car was "Pressure-Slide".

[CShaveRR]

Thanks for the listing of the other photographs. I notice (though I can't read the numbers) that the car has dimensions and a cubic capacity stencilled on it--something you won't find on a tank car.

Sure wish I could read that ACI label (I know it doesn't show the "3000" number!), or what used to be written in the center of the car!

[mloik]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tdmidget

The second one is a Halliburton drilling mud car.

Don't you mean Halliburton drilling $$$$ car?

[miniwyo]

QUOTE: Originally posted by tdmidget

The second one is a Halliburton drilling mud car.

We get alot of those into the Halliburton here in town. I think its used to carry Frac Sand, not drilling mud.

Im not sure if this is exactly right, but Frac sand id used to fracture the layers of rock formation so it is easier to drill. The also haul Cement in them its a basic airslide hopper.

[ericsp]

Here is the only other photograph I have been able to find so far.
http://abpr.railfan.net/abpr.cgi?/september00/09-06-00
http://abpr.railfan.net/abprphoto.cgi?september00/09-06-00/CaCVX3000.jpg

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CShaveRR

I think Eric is right about CACV 3000 carrying diesel fuel (at least based on the "1993" placard). But why is it classified as a covered hopper? I'd love to find out the car's previous identity (which I might have been able to do if the ACI label were readable in the photo!). I've never seen a car like that, with the slopes so pronounced (that isn't telephoto compression). It's those slopes that suggest that it originated as a "covered hopper", similar to pressure-differential cars made by both Union Tank and General American.

Unfortunately, I can't bring up a current UMLER record for the car, so it's no longer in existence (at least in that identity).

It looks like it is in a museum now. The first photograph is dated 1986 (no location). All of the rest are dated 1983 at Lodi, NJ.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/cacv3000agd.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/cacv3000akg.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/cacv3000bkg.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/cacv3000ckg.jpg
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/cacv3000dkg.jpg
This link is to the page where the Cooperstown & Charlotte Valley (CACV) photographs are listed.
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/misc-c/misc-c.html

[railman]

very interesting.

[CShaveRR]

I think that out of all of the cars posted so far, I've only seen one "in the flesh"--the Halliburton (HWCX) car.

Kind of helps, when somebody thinks he's seen everything, for people to post shots of exotica like these! Thanks!

[CShaveRR]

I think Eric is right about CACV 3000 carrying diesel fuel (at least based on the "1993" placard). But why is it classified as a covered hopper? I'd love to find out the car's previous identity (which I might have been able to do if the ACI label were readable in the photo!). I've never seen a car like that, with the slopes so pronounced (that isn't telephoto compression). It's those slopes that suggest that it originated as a "covered hopper", similar to pressure-differential cars made by both Union Tank and General American.

Unfortunately, I can't bring up a current UMLER record for the car, so it's no longer in existence (at least in that identity).

[GDRMCo]

http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/photos/stock/hopper/hp26.jpg
These hoppers look cool.

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Junctionfan

Found a few more interesting hoppers.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cp420935.jpg

http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/hp5.htm
(I put this one on because normally cement is in 2 bay hoppers)

http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/hp26.htm

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-b/bdnx301ags.jpg

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-frt/dpcx2800bjm.jpg

I am pretty sure the CP Rail one was converted to a scale test car.

[tdmidget]

The second one is a Halliburton drilling mud car.

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Top one is a tankcar, looks like gasoline....

It looks like the placard has 1993 on it. That and give the fact the the NHRS lists the reporting marks for a railroad, I would guess it is carrying diesel fuel.

[Junctionfan]

Found a few more interesting hoppers.

http://www.northeast.railfan.net/images/tr_cp420935.jpg

http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/hp5.htm
(I put this one on because normally cement is in 2 bay hoppers)

http://stewart.railfan.net/rail/hp26.htm

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-b/bdnx301ags.jpg

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-frt/dpcx2800bjm.jpg

[Junctionfan]

Funny the guy labels the CACV car with LO classification.

[edblysard]

Top one is a tankcar, looks like gasoline....

The bottom one is a hopper, of sorts, the barrels are full of dry, powdered cement.

Ed

[Anonymous]

Very interesting!

[ericsp]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....They want to be sure all the booze or whatever drains out of that one.

It is placarded for Flammable Liquid, Not Otherwise Specified, it would be safe to eliminate booze.

It looks like a cartoon horse after someone really heavy rode on it.

[ericsp]

What is odd (besides that tankcar's shape) is that according to the NRHS the tankcar is owned by a railroad.
http://www.nrhs.com/reporting_marks/aar_reporting_marks.htm

Yes, the Halliburton car is a hopper.

[Modelcar]

....They want to be sure all the booze or whatever drains out of that one.

[Modelcar]

....Looks like an oversized sausage....

[csxengineer98]

the first one is not a hopper..more like a tank car... a very depressed tank car..think it needs some prozak...
csx engineer

[Junctionfan]

I found a couple of wierd hoppers (or so I think) that I thought you all should see.

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-c/cacv3000ckg.jpg

http://gelwood.railfan.net/misc-h/hwcx64adk.jpg