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Ex PRR Madison Hill Line
Posted by caldreamer on Monday, March 7, 2016 4:44 PM

Is the old Pennsylvania Railroad Madison Hill line still in use?  It had a grade of 5.73 percent, so it was extremly steep.  The Prr used SD9 helpers on trains going up the grade.

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 9, 2016 1:46 PM

Currently mothballed. City or county owned now.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, March 9, 2016 2:59 PM

The original " Madison Hill" line was (IIRC) 5.89%, and the 0-10-0 Reuben Wells was built ( in 1876(?) to handle this grade.  I think it is currently residing in a museum somewhere in Indiana(?).

In 1953 the PRR bought from EMD SD-7's #8588 and 8589 they had 567 engines, and 65:12 gears specifically to handle the grade on 'Madison Hill' (later they carried different unit numbers under Penn Central/Conrail) . 

They were weighted (ballasted) from the factory to something like 370,000 lbs.  They did not come originally with MU connections, they also had a rail washer system installed, this was due to leaves that accumulated on the rails(?).  

Only one unit at a time was assigned to work Madison Hill, with the second unit being rotated in, and out of the assignment (due to a maintenance cycle(?).

I recall that at one point after they were disposed of by Conrail, at least one, and possibly both units went to the TRAA in St, Louis(?)

 

 


 

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Posted by rdamon on Wednesday, March 9, 2016 3:17 PM

searching for some photos on google, I found this thread..

http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/p/72275/876633.aspx

 Edit: since internal links do not work well..

http://tinyurl.com/z659abz

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, March 9, 2016 7:59 PM
"Selected Railroad Reading: Is This Train in Emergency? - Runaway, kind of, on Madison Hill", by Clark, Warner J., from Trains, April 2001, pg. 58 &etc.
[Magazine Index 'keywords': Indiana PC reminiscence ] 
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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Thursday, March 10, 2016 7:55 PM

I think there was another article on this in Trains back in the 1980's or so, but it's not coming up in the Magazine Index.  Perhaps it was a 'sidebar' to a main article about another subject. 

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:24 PM

Paul, it seems to me that I became aware of the hill sometime in the fifties--through a short item in Trains way back before some of our posters were born. There may well have been another item in the eighties. 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, March 10, 2016 8:47 PM

Johnny, that article was in the early 1960s--it came after I began reading the magazine regularly.  Use "steepest" to search.

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Posted by wanswheel on Thursday, March 10, 2016 10:14 PM
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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, March 11, 2016 6:08 PM
"America's steepest railroad - Madison Hill, 5.89 percent"
by Sulzer, Elmer G. 
from Trains, July 1962, p. 34
branch  grade  Indiana  prr 
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Posted by andychandler on Monday, March 14, 2016 7:52 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr
"America's steepest railroad - Madison Hill, 5.89 percent"
by Sulzer, Elmer G. 
from Trains, July 1962, p. 34
branch  grade  Indiana  prr 
 

[quote user="Paul_D_North_Jr"]

"America's steepest railroad - Madison Hill, 5.89 percent"
by Sulzer, Elmer G. 
from Trains, July 1962, p. 34
branch  grade  Indiana  prr 
 

I rode the Hill as as kid, with my brothers and cousins in the middle 60's.  My grandfather was a clerk in Columbus IN, and called in a favor from the engineer that day.  I remember he told us to not blow the horn within the cut, for fear of bringing down rocks.  I was too young to photograph anything, but do have a cone shaped water cup from inside the cab.  Yeah, pretty fun and the start of my serious passion for trains.  Big Smile

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Posted by jdstomper on Monday, March 14, 2016 9:24 PM

The Reuben Welles is in the basement of the Indianapolis, IN Children's Museum and is on display every day, behind the Carousel.

 

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Posted by PNCROSE on Tuesday, March 19, 2024 12:01 AM

All trains on the Madison Hill grade operated with the locomotive on the south end so if a coupler were to break, the freight car wouldn't wind up in the Ohio River.   In the days of steam, usually H class 2-8-0's, the locomotive faced north so there always was water over the crown sheet above the firebox.  Trains were short and retainers were set on the freight car brakes before the descent.   Tough mountain railroding!

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Posted by MP173 on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 3:25 PM

A regret of mine was never railfanning the Madison line.  I had 2 years of chances as I attended nearby Hanover College from 1975 - 1977 (10 minutes down river).  Spent time in Madison, primarily at Hinkles, a renowned diner, but that was usually late night.

I was a railfan at the time with a dandy 35mm Pentax.  Also failed to railfan the nearby North Vernon to Louisville B&O line.  Would like a re-do on those two.

"Ghost Railroads of Indiana" by Elmer Sulzer has a nice chapter on the line with photos of the grade.  Interesting book...picked it up at a garage sale for $2 along with several books on NYC.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 5:57 PM

MP173
A regret of mine was never railfanning the Madison line.  I had 2 years of chances as I attended nearby Hanover College from 1975 - 1977 (10 minutes down river).  Spent time in Madison, primarily at Hinkles, a renowned diner, but that was usually late night.

I was a railfan at the time with a dandy 35mm Pentax.  Also failed to railfan the nearby North Vernon to Louisville B&O line.  Would like a re-do on those two.

"Ghost Railroads of Indiana" by Elmer Sulzer has a nice chapter on the line with photos of the grade.  Interesting book...picked it up at a garage sale for $2 along with several books on NYC.

Ed

Didn't know anything about Madison Hill and its operation when I worked the B&O's WS Tower at Watson, IN in the Summer of 1966, also worked North Vernon that Summer.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, March 20, 2024 9:35 PM

Here is an additional story to add to the 'tales' of the M&I;'s Madison Hill Incline, also, shown in it,is a pen and ink drawing of the locomotive(PRR's) Rueben Wells; now residing in the Children's Museum in Indianapolis.

See linked @ https://www.jeffersoncountylocalhistory.org/riverbuildingtherailroad

 

 


 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, March 21, 2024 8:40 PM

MP173
A regret of mine was never railfanning the Madison line. ...

By luck I got to "railfan" the line in the early 1970s as a geology student on a field trip that included the rock cut that the line went thru.

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Posted by Ed Kyle on Friday, March 22, 2024 8:22 AM

The line is, or recently was, still open from North Vernon to the north side of Madison where a plastics manufacturer is/was located.  I have it as Madison Railroad (CMPA), running maybe once per week.  Most of the line appears to be used for car storage, with few if any on-line customers outside North Vernon.  Most of the car storage is on tracks that snake through the former Jefferson Proving Ground site.

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Posted by Gramp on Saturday, March 23, 2024 9:06 PM

Didn't Penn Central have to relay abandoned track into Madison at some point to deliver a large generator there? (A vague memory)

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