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QUOTE: Originally posted by dwil89 Originally posted by oltmannd The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. Yeah...Somewhere around the early to mid 1990's, Conrail added the white frame stripe to locomotives, probably around the same time that they added 'Conrail Quality' to the logo. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown 1990, to be exact. C40-8W 6050 was the first to get it as built at Erie. Juniata started repaints shortly thereafter. It preceded the Quality scheme by about a year. Here it is at Erie before they put the front stripe on: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=19888 Here some "sisters" http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=17779 http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=9136 -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Thursday, December 2, 2004 9:43 AM Originally posted by oltmannd The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. Yeah...Somewhere around the early to mid 1990's, Conrail added the white frame stripe to locomotives, probably around the same time that they added 'Conrail Quality' to the logo. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply FThunder11 Member sinceJune 2003 From: Colorado Springs 728 posts Posted by FThunder11 on Thursday, December 2, 2004 7:52 AM I think it looks quite nice in NS paint, even though some of you think it should be still in Conrail. Kevin Farlow Colorado Springs Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, December 2, 2004 7:48 AM The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. I'd sure like to see some color in the NS scheme. Maybe painting the carbody tuscan? It really doesn't cost much more to shoot two colors, particularly when you don't have to mask. It's in NS's PRR and NW heritage, so why not? -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 12:12 PM Ooooo!!! Shiny!!! -Mark http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply SALfan Member sinceApril 2002 From: Northern Florida 1,429 posts Posted by SALfan on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 11:50 AM This is a (slight) improvement over the previous NS paint scheme, but I'd much rather see the old N&W Tuscan (or whatever they called it) red. Even better than that would be the old Southern green, white and gold livery. Long live the Southern! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 5:13 AM Nice, that is an awsome paint scheme. I love the "Horsehead" paint scheme. Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 4:52 AM Thats a great looking dash 2! Who says you can't like Black and White! [:p] Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C Those guys at Juniata really only used blue for a short time. PRR used black (with a tiny amount of green), Penn Central used Black, early Conrail was black ... It's lucky that CSX didn't get the old Pennsy, all that yellow (and for a while grey) would be distracting! Peter Many of the SD40's that Conrail inherited from predecessor roads like Penn Central, etc.stayed in their original colors for awhile after Conrail took over...However...the SD40-2's were bought new by Conrail, between 1977 and 1979 and were painted Conrail Blue from delivery. Conrail also, in the 1990's, rebuilt a group of 40 SD40's from their own fleet of inherited SD40's, along with ex-KCS SD40's. These were rebuilt to SD40-2 specifications internally, but retained the SD40external spotting features, such as shorter frames than the Dash-2's, and chickenwire radiator grills. These rebuilds are still operating for NS and CSX. They were in the 6900 series in Conrail, and now in NS are numbered 3425-3447...numbered behind the as-built Conrail SD40-2's in NS numbered 3329-3424. and any combination of these can be rotated between road service, and helper duty around Altoona, Pa. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by dwil89 QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC 3388 was originally Conrail 6455 built 10/78 Dave Williams I think I may have run it in blue... LC Reply Edit M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:53 PM Those guys at Juniata really only used blue for a short time. PRR used black (with a tiny amount of green), Penn Central used Black, early Conrail was black ... It's lucky that CSX didn't get the old Pennsy, all that yellow (and for a while grey) would be distracting! Peter Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:24 PM The SD40-2 is one of my favorite locomotives.....Listening to anywhere from 1 to 2 pair of them shoving a heavy coaldrag up the West Slope out of Johnstown has to be experienced. first hand! I enjoy hiking along Jeep Trails and old roadbeds in that area, and when I get into some of the narrow valleys off the beaten path, and watch a Coaldrag struggle up that grade with the sound of those SD40's in Run 8.......it never fails to impress me! Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC 3388 was originally Conrail 6455 built 10/78 Dave Williams David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:52 PM Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC Reply Edit dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint...those Big Blues are disappearing quickly! Your best bet would be to get out to the Altoona area of Pa. There are still Conrail and Conrail Quality blue SD40-2 units in helper service there, but their numbers are dwindling as units have been getting painted into NS Black, and more recently, into Horsehead scheme with white numberboards. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply trainfan1221 Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Elmwood Park, NJ 2,385 posts Posted by trainfan1221 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:50 PM I like the paint also, BNSF. Norfolk Southern's scheme does look good when new and fairly glossy. I also think the new white strip works, at least on certain locos. The fact that it is an older unit like an SD40-2 helps, they were good looking to begin with. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint [#ditto] Nothing better than a Conrail (unpatched) SD40-2. Reply Edit kolechovski Member sinceSeptember 2002 762 posts Posted by kolechovski on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:40 PM I'd love to have it in Conrail paint...those Big Blues are disappearing quickly! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Photo of ex-Conrail SD40-2 Repaint.(NS). Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:21 PM www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=86317 I love that Paint[:p],I like to have that in HO Scale. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by oltmannd The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. Yeah...Somewhere around the early to mid 1990's, Conrail added the white frame stripe to locomotives, probably around the same time that they added 'Conrail Quality' to the logo. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Originally posted by oltmannd The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. Yeah...Somewhere around the early to mid 1990's, Conrail added the white frame stripe to locomotives, probably around the same time that they added 'Conrail Quality' to the logo. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply FThunder11 Member sinceJune 2003 From: Colorado Springs 728 posts Posted by FThunder11 on Thursday, December 2, 2004 7:52 AM I think it looks quite nice in NS paint, even though some of you think it should be still in Conrail. Kevin Farlow Colorado Springs Reply oltmannd Member sinceJanuary 2001 From: Atlanta 11,971 posts Posted by oltmannd on Thursday, December 2, 2004 7:48 AM The best part of the NS scheme, IMHO, is the speed stripes on the nose logo. Looks like it was designed to fit on the nose of the locomotive. The absence of a good "nose logo" was the worst thing about the blue Conrail scheme. I'd bet that white frame stripe that is part of the NS scheme came from Juniata. I don't thnk NS believed a solid strip would stay put for the life of the paint job until the CR guys showed them some they had been there for 10 years. I'd sure like to see some color in the NS scheme. Maybe painting the carbody tuscan? It really doesn't cost much more to shoot two colors, particularly when you don't have to mask. It's in NS's PRR and NW heritage, so why not? -Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/) Reply fuzzybroken Member sinceOctober 2002 From: Milwaukee, WI, US 1,384 posts Posted by fuzzybroken on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 12:12 PM Ooooo!!! Shiny!!! -Mark http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken -Fuzzy Fuzzy World 3 Reply SALfan Member sinceApril 2002 From: Northern Florida 1,429 posts Posted by SALfan on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 11:50 AM This is a (slight) improvement over the previous NS paint scheme, but I'd much rather see the old N&W Tuscan (or whatever they called it) red. Even better than that would be the old Southern green, white and gold livery. Long live the Southern! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 5:13 AM Nice, that is an awsome paint scheme. I love the "Horsehead" paint scheme. Reply Edit cpbloom Member sinceAugust 2003 From: Still on the other side of the tracks. 397 posts Posted by cpbloom on Wednesday, December 1, 2004 4:52 AM Thats a great looking dash 2! Who says you can't like Black and White! [:p] Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:35 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C Those guys at Juniata really only used blue for a short time. PRR used black (with a tiny amount of green), Penn Central used Black, early Conrail was black ... It's lucky that CSX didn't get the old Pennsy, all that yellow (and for a while grey) would be distracting! Peter Many of the SD40's that Conrail inherited from predecessor roads like Penn Central, etc.stayed in their original colors for awhile after Conrail took over...However...the SD40-2's were bought new by Conrail, between 1977 and 1979 and were painted Conrail Blue from delivery. Conrail also, in the 1990's, rebuilt a group of 40 SD40's from their own fleet of inherited SD40's, along with ex-KCS SD40's. These were rebuilt to SD40-2 specifications internally, but retained the SD40external spotting features, such as shorter frames than the Dash-2's, and chickenwire radiator grills. These rebuilds are still operating for NS and CSX. They were in the 6900 series in Conrail, and now in NS are numbered 3425-3447...numbered behind the as-built Conrail SD40-2's in NS numbered 3329-3424. and any combination of these can be rotated between road service, and helper duty around Altoona, Pa. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 10:28 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by dwil89 QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC 3388 was originally Conrail 6455 built 10/78 Dave Williams I think I may have run it in blue... LC Reply Edit M636C Member sinceJanuary 2002 4,612 posts Posted by M636C on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:53 PM Those guys at Juniata really only used blue for a short time. PRR used black (with a tiny amount of green), Penn Central used Black, early Conrail was black ... It's lucky that CSX didn't get the old Pennsy, all that yellow (and for a while grey) would be distracting! Peter Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 8:24 PM The SD40-2 is one of my favorite locomotives.....Listening to anywhere from 1 to 2 pair of them shoving a heavy coaldrag up the West Slope out of Johnstown has to be experienced. first hand! I enjoy hiking along Jeep Trails and old roadbeds in that area, and when I get into some of the narrow valleys off the beaten path, and watch a Coaldrag struggle up that grade with the sound of those SD40's in Run 8.......it never fails to impress me! Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:58 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC 3388 was originally Conrail 6455 built 10/78 Dave Williams David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:52 PM Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC Reply Edit dwil89 Member sinceJanuary 2004 From: NY 913 posts Posted by dwil89 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 7:51 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint...those Big Blues are disappearing quickly! Your best bet would be to get out to the Altoona area of Pa. There are still Conrail and Conrail Quality blue SD40-2 units in helper service there, but their numbers are dwindling as units have been getting painted into NS Black, and more recently, into Horsehead scheme with white numberboards. Dave Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown David J. Williams http://groups.yahoo.com/group/nsaltoonajohnstown Reply trainfan1221 Member sinceJuly 2003 From: Elmwood Park, NJ 2,385 posts Posted by trainfan1221 on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:50 PM I like the paint also, BNSF. Norfolk Southern's scheme does look good when new and fairly glossy. I also think the new white strip works, at least on certain locos. The fact that it is an older unit like an SD40-2 helps, they were good looking to begin with. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 6:44 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint [#ditto] Nothing better than a Conrail (unpatched) SD40-2. Reply Edit kolechovski Member sinceSeptember 2002 762 posts Posted by kolechovski on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:40 PM I'd love to have it in Conrail paint...those Big Blues are disappearing quickly! Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Photo of ex-Conrail SD40-2 Repaint.(NS). Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 30, 2004 5:21 PM www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=86317 I love that Paint[:p],I like to have that in HO Scale. Reply Edit Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C Those guys at Juniata really only used blue for a short time. PRR used black (with a tiny amount of green), Penn Central used Black, early Conrail was black ... It's lucky that CSX didn't get the old Pennsy, all that yellow (and for a while grey) would be distracting! Peter
QUOTE: Originally posted by dwil89 QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC 3388 was originally Conrail 6455 built 10/78 Dave Williams
QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear Looks like an old friend. Anyone got the original Conrail number? LC
QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint...those Big Blues are disappearing quickly!
QUOTE: Originally posted by kolechovski I'd love to have it in Conrail paint
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