Like a commuter railroad, nearly all passenger services on the route map have hourly off-peak service, with a few every two hourse, such as the old route to Jerusalem and the new one to Modi'in. The T. A. commuter route to Holon and Bat Yam is not shown on the Geo and does not have freight. The line to Kiryat Gat and Beir Shave passes thu Ramla station but does not stop! Single-track bottleneck, possible reason. Junction actually south of Ranla.
Geo map freight service possible, route map passenger service provided, including T. A.- Airport - Modii'in that includes part of the high speed direct T. A. - Jerusalem line to open in 2018, not shown on geo map. I guess any freight service will continue to use the old line through Beit Shemesh. Kiryat - Ashelon does not show passenger service on the route map. Nor Kvar Saba - Hadera (the inland route) that may be totally banked, out of service.
Possibly thinking in meters
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Scotty beamed both Dave and I over to a bar in Ireland and back last night, and I guess we both had too good of a time at the bar. (Hehehe)
Seriously, the figures I gave were from recollections of studying ancient history years ago. The map, I think, is a lot different today than it was in ancient times.
About the big numbers, I think Dave might have been thinking (with toothpicks in his eyes) about train route miles, as opposed to geographic A to B miles, but I don’t know. In checking the Israel Railways website, the system diagram suggests lines crisscrosses Israel all over the place.
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Where do either of you get your statistics?
http://www.mfa.gov.il/mfa/aboutisrael/land/pages/the%20land-%20geography%20and%20climate.aspx
" some 470 km. (290 miles) in length and about 85 miles (135 km.) across at the widest point."
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Please visit the website for Israel Railways for a better idea of business, rout structure, etc. Israel had been compared with New Jersey in size. Freight business is mostly containers from and to ships, import and export, not much local freight. Passenger service is comperable to a one large multi-mode commuter railroad. More like 1100 miles long, not 100.
Total cost of electrication, line upgrades, and new lines, including one giving Jordan access to Israeli ports, is billed at 60 Billion Doillars, over a 20-year period.
Hey, Dave!
If I’m not mistaken, Israel north to south is maybe 100 miles in length, and a third of that east to west. How could such a small area be profitable for a railroad or railroads to operate in? It seems that kind of territory would be comparable to maybe Los Angeles to Cajon Pass in Southern California, and I don’t think any would-be company could find investors in such an effort. How do they do things in Israel that there is a railroad that you can post able?
ChessieCat123If this is the promised land where is the oil.
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It's my understanding, and David can feel free to correct me, that there IS oil in Israel, however they don't export any of it and keep it strictly for their own use.
MidlandMike Murphy Siding I thought natural gas was always found in conjunction with crude oil? Often, but not always.
Murphy Siding I thought natural gas was always found in conjunction with crude oil?
I thought natural gas was always found in conjunction with crude oil?
Often, but not always.
It's often found and extracted around and within Coal deposits as well..
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I believe the last steam operations, replaced by diesels, in Israel were in 1957. No operating steam locomotive were saved. There is one narrow gauge steam locomotive at the Railway Museaim in Haifa on displacy.
European, not British, loading gaugs is system wide, with all track standard gauge. Particular new lines, primarily for freigiht, from Oranand Demkona through Beir Sheva to Ashdod and Ashkalon Ports, are hi-wide lines. I suspect any catenary on those lines will take that into account.
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With all that sunshine and coastline, does Isreal have much developed solar/wind power?
David, are they going to keep a steam engine or two in a closet or basement somewhere, "just in case?" Hey, you never know.
usmc1401 Is this project in Israel a freight and passenger line. And if freight will the load gauge increase for larger cars.
Is this project in Israel a freight and passenger line. And if freight will the load gauge increase for larger cars.
Dave can explain better but it's not a new line,It's currently operated with Diesel electric locomotives and handles both passenger and freight:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_Railways
Dave: How much is the estimated cost in dollars?
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Originally coal-burning power planats, then converted to oil, now to be converted to natural gas, which Israel has in abundance, mostly just discovered. Possibly some limited nuclear at Demona, plus some hydroelectric from snow-melts to streams on Mount Herman, serving the norrth only. The natural gas discovery spurred the electrication.
Where does Israel derive its electricty from?
Posted to me from a Railway Gazzette article ; Israel Railways has awarded Sociedad Española de Montajes Industriales a 2bn shekel contract to build and maintain electrification infrastructure. The Spanish company beat bids from Siemens, Elecnor, Alstom and China Railways Construction Corp.
The contract announced on December 6 covers 420 route-km across 13 lines and includes the supply of 14 substations and control systems for the 25 kV 50 Hz power supply, to be carried by overhead catenary.
SEMI will provide 10 years of maintenance, with an option for a further 15 years. ISR envisages that electrification work will get underway in February 2016, with the first electric train due to operate on the A1 fast line to Jerusalem in March 2018.
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