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So Goes Coal - So Goes Newsprint?

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Posted by rdamon on Thursday, November 19, 2015 8:29 PM

Coal's (EPA's ) next victim

http://www.denverpost.com/business/ci_29129198/union-pacific-close-burnham-repair-yard-denver

 

"The well-documented decline in the coal carloadings in Colorado — a result of natural gas prices and regulatory pressure — has diminished the need for locomotive repairs and overhauls in the Denver area," Calli B. Hite, a Union Pacific spokeswoman, said in an e-mail to The Denver Post.

 

 

 

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Posted by samfp1943 on Monday, November 9, 2015 10:16 AM

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As an aside, while the demand for paper for newsprint, magazines, or even catalogs is down, the demand for paper products for packaging is up, way way up. 

Think on-line ordering outfits like Wayfair and others for example.

 

Possibly, the increased need for paper products to packaged retail products is due to shoplifting thefts in retail stores?  Plastic 'bubbles' and large paper packages are thought to prevent/or possibly slow down the thieves in stores(?)  Just my thought.

 

 

 


 

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Posted by dakotafred on Sunday, November 8, 2015 8:42 PM

It may be wishful thinking, but I think print will survive, at least for essential publications. Reading on the tube simply ain't restful, starting with the eyestrain. Then there are the ads popping up, flashing or asking us to wait -- moles that constantly have to be whacked.

It's more like watching TV than reading.

Of course, the issue will be resolved by the preferences of the reading public -- and by money, the fire to which the feet of every executive in the media biz is held. So that, the resolution for good or ill will depend on the seriousness, or lack thereof, of the public, as is proper in our free-market economy.

Whether the preferences of the public serve the future of the country remains to be seen. It may well turn out fine in any case. A country whose people have the habit of freedom can get away with a lot of unseriousness, as we have seen over the years.

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Posted by ouibejamn on Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:40 PM

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What am I going to cover up with when my Nieces and Nephews come bursting into the bathroom while I am on the throne?

 

 

 

Try locking the door.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, November 8, 2015 7:27 PM

ChessieCat123

What am I going to cover up with when my Nieces and Nephews come bursting into the bathroom while I am on the throne?

Make sure you get one of those really big tablets...

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, November 8, 2015 11:13 AM

As an aside, while the demand for paper for newsprint, magazines, or even catalogs is down, the demand for paper products for packaging is up, way way up. 

Think on-line ordering outfits like Wayfair and others for example.

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Posted by Boyd on Sunday, November 8, 2015 12:28 AM
These advanced technologies have their vulnerabilities from direct hit solar flares, EMP's that could come from multiple sources. Today could revert back to 1850 quite quickly and if it occurred in the winter it would be worse. I'd much rather flip through a printed on paper Northern Tool catalog in my hands than on my home computer or my iPhone 5c.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, November 7, 2015 11:12 PM

Wisconsin also has or had (haven't lived there in a while) a large paper producing region in the upper Winnebago Lake area in and around Appleton, WI.    One of the largest firms is Texas based Kimberly-Clark maker of I believe the disposal diapers "Huggies" brand.     Some of the older posters here might be familiar with the brand......OK, just kidding there....lol.Surprise   Anyways, I think they also produce newsprint up there but not sure where they ship it.    WC and now CN has the lions share of the traffic as it's rails go right through the paper producing area as well as some of the Northern Wisconsin forests where they get the trees for pulp.

Lots of folks that get Engineering Degrees at UW Madison or UW Milwaukee end up in the paper plants up there.   Not sure why they need engineering degrees but I am not an expert in paper production either.

Congressman Sensenbrenner (R-WI) has or had a huge stock ownership in Kimberly-Clark and I am also not sure how he got that or if he is one of the heirs of the founding family.   Kimberly-Clark was the firm behind the launching of Midwest Express Airlines before that firm was merged away.   They had so many of their private jets logging miles between Wisconsin and Texas they decided to start their own airline using their employees as base traffic.

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Saturday, November 7, 2015 10:23 AM

Quad's cost efficiencies come partly from centralized location as stated above, but also from having multiple high-capacity double-web presses, as stated above. The higher kilowatt/hour rate to run those presses vs. somewhere in the Pacific Northwest is no doubt offest by sheer volume.

Their customer file submission and prepress handling is done via Kodak InSite the same as our plant and just about any other medium to large size web press outfit. And I'm quite certain Quad manages their color using GraCOL/SWOP standards the same as our plant and everyone else at this level in the industry.

But what separates one printer's quality from another are things like line screen, paper, dot gain or slur, GCR (gray component replacement) levels, shadow detail and accuracy of colors within those shadows, and proper application of color management.

It's perfectly feasible for smaller web-fed plants elsewhere in the country to match or exceed Quad's quality, and for even smaller sheet-fed plants to match or exceed our quality. Nobody owns a patent on color. In fact, we've worked in tandem with other plants elsewhere in the country, and through application of common color management were able to produce identical work at both plants when it was logistically advantageous. Same way that some large daily and weekly publications are printed at multiple plants across the country for prompt and cost-effective distribution, while maintaining common quality.

The question comes down to whether or not page count, run length (number of copies), proximity to mailing and bulk-ship lanes, and other factors would allow smaller plants to meet or beat Quad's price. The answer if often...not.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Saturday, November 7, 2015 8:23 AM

tree68
Even NYAB no longer has rail service...

Irony at it's best. Wink

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, November 7, 2015 6:31 AM

We used to have over a half dozen paper mills in the area - one very large, and rail-served.  I think we're down to two now, neither with rail service.

We also had a paper machine manufacturer (Bagley & Sewell, later Black Clawson) which is also long gone.  It, too, was rail-served.

Even NYAB no longer has rail service...

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, November 7, 2015 5:57 AM

My take on this news item:

1. Quad found a way to efficiently print COLOR graphics neatly, vividly and crisply and a lot more cheaper than other printers.    Your not going to just shift their business to another color publisher without impact in cost, quality, or distribution to Quads clients.    Certainly your not going to move it to Idaho without impact to costs or quality, which is not even near the geographic center of the country (postage costs).   Quads advantage is the location of it's plants, efficiency of operation and it's patented color printing process itself.    Quad grew rapidly as more and more magazine and catalog publishers shifted from black and white graphics to more color graphics.......Trains being an example over the last few decades.

2.  It's been a long time but the last time I worked at the Sussex plant they did not handle nor did they produce newsprint.    They only publish soft cover books and magazines and some catalogs and then they mail address them right on the factory floor and mail them out.     One or two guys a shift running a printing press and mail addrressing machine can produce Trains Magazine and my guess the whole magazine can be produced within the confines of one fraction of one shift by 2-3 people at the most (maybe 1-2 hours given the speed of their presses).

3.  One growing area when I worked there was production of magazine blow in magazine advertising inserts (not attached to the binding of the magazine just loosely blown in between pages) and those junk mail VALUE PAK mail advertisements.    In fact they produced a small fortune for junk mail advertisers.

4. I think the downturn is being blamed on a shift to digital but has more to do with the typical cycle of a company being complacent once it achieves a level of profitability and not changing with changing times.    Quad could be leading several areas of the digital progression but choose not to do so.    Further as pointed out in the article, price competition has really undercut their profit margin and I would say this more than anything is hitting them hard.    Why is that so?   Because Quad did not remain ahead of the curve competition wise in some respects and the competition is able to creep up in areas of printing efficiency.........although I think Quad still leads the pack.    Thats Quads management fault in my opinion and it's not too late for them to innovate again and extend their competitive edge again.

As for the decline of newspapers.    Myself, I think its mostly due to the decline of reporting standards in this country.    You used to be able to buy a newspaper and it would be a real rarity not to spot spelling errors, factual errors or even pick out a bias in the article.    Thats not the case anymore.    So newspaper clients have migrated more and more to preferred sources of news they can get more readily and they feel is more accurate then what they read in newsprint.     Some of it is competition as when USA TODAY was first published, almost all the newspapers in this country were forced to update their decades old publishing format and also spend more money on color pictures as did USA TODAY.    Some were able to compete, others not.     Another area of newspapers which I find comical is advertising within them.    A long time ago many of them should have shifted to a online do it yourself advertising graphical production and submission process to gain more advertisers...........instead they stuck with their decades old call center approach where in most cases you cannot even see the end product of the advertisement before it prints (which totally sucks).    Many of the advertisements in newspapers are still all black and white with no options for color or much in the way of highlighting to jump off the page to the reader.......also sad.     Just some examples of where I do NOT attribute the decline of newspapers to shifting technology as much as newspapers inclination to NOT USE UPDATED TECHNOLOGY versus their competition.

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Posted by avonlea22 on Friday, November 6, 2015 11:36 PM

Bruce Kelly

 Even though BNSF's Coeur d'Alene branch runs right behind our plant, all of our paper arrives by truck.

 

We have 4 manufacturing plants in one town (so much growth over the years) but only one, the newest, is served by rail, and only for incoming paper rolls.  Once in the plant, many are distributed to other plants by shuttle truck. The building I work in, which has 4 high speed web presses doesn't even have roll storage. They order what they need and it comes by shuttle.

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Friday, November 6, 2015 11:28 PM

Yes and no. Lumber mills outnumber paper mills in my immediate area. The three closest paper mills are Inland Empire Paper in Spokane, WA; Ponderay Newsprint in Usk, WA; and Clearwater Paper in Lewiston, ID. IEP and PN produce mainly newsprint/uncoated stock. Clearwater produces mainly tissue and paperboard products. All three have rail service for inbound materials and outbound product. My plant has received some uncoated stock from IEP, but our coated stock comes mainly from outside our immediate area. Even though BNSF's Coeur d'Alene branch runs right behind our plant, all of our paper arrives by truck.

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, November 6, 2015 10:28 PM

Bruce Kelly

Avonlea, I trust you're familiar with the difference between Freesheet (FS) and Groundwood (GW) stock? If you compare the text pages of some recent issues of Trains with those from say 10 or 20 years ago, the paper quality has changed considerably. The grit and imperfections of GW are very apparent now, literally showing up through the lighter areas in photographs, ads, screens, etc, and looking like there's serious need for a lint brush everywhere there's not ink. Perhaps it was a cost-saving move at Quad's end. In addition to costing less, GW is said to be more environmentally friendly due to less energy, chemistry, and waste during manufacture. But the majority of our work rolls off press on FS, much of it of recycled origin, mind you. Our customers (travel, fashion, hobby, real estate, music, business, and other titles from throughout North America, New Zealand, and parts of Europe and Africa) are apparently willing to pay a little more for cleaner-looking paper and imagery, and we're able to offset that cost by having just about the lowest electricity rates in the nation (go hydro!), and certainly lower labor costs as well. When it costs you less to run that press, you can afford a better grade of paper. 

 

Aren't you also a lot closer to the forests that supply raw materials for paper?

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Posted by Bruce Kelly on Friday, November 6, 2015 10:00 PM

Avonlea, I trust you're familiar with the difference between Freesheet (FS) and Groundwood (GW) stock? If you compare the text pages of some recent issues of Trains with those from say 10 or 20 years ago, the paper quality has changed considerably. The grit and imperfections of GW are very apparent now, literally showing up through the lighter areas in photographs, ads, screens, etc, and looking like there's serious need for a lint brush everywhere there's not ink. Perhaps it was a cost-saving move at Quad's end. In addition to costing less, GW is said to be more environmentally friendly due to less energy, chemistry, and waste during manufacture. But the majority of our work rolls off press on FS, much of it of recycled origin, mind you. Our customers (travel, fashion, hobby, real estate, music, business, and other titles from throughout North America, New Zealand, and parts of Europe and Africa) are apparently willing to pay a little more for cleaner-looking paper and imagery, and we're able to offset that cost by having just about the lowest electricity rates in the nation (go hydro!), and certainly lower labor costs as well. When it costs you less to run that press, you can afford a better grade of paper. 

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Posted by avonlea22 on Friday, November 6, 2015 9:26 PM

Deggesty
 

So, Quad does not use newsprint--nor are most catalogs printed on newsprint.

 

I find it much easier to find what I am looking for in a catalog I am holding in my hands than it is to use an online catalog.

 

 

Well, they may use newsprint, it's just not for newspapers. We do some work on newsprint (think those automotive catalogs used to find your oil filter or air filter at WalMart).

I agree that for catalogs, I'd much rather browse through the pages than look online.  Some magazines however, I prefer the digital edition. Especially those with added content. A couple that spring to mind are the Food Network Magazine and Family Handyman.  They both have added content that makes the digital edition superior to the print edition, in my opinion. I guess I'm not helping my own industry very much, but I feel there will always be a need for printed materials.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, November 6, 2015 8:43 PM

avonlea22

 

 
Bruce Kelly

Quad prints quite a few of the rail enthusiast magazines some of us read. If any of them end up needing a new place with a Harris M1000 press to produce their product, a certain printing plant here in northern Idaho is ready to begin receiving their page files via InSite.

 

 

 

I happen to know a large commercial printer in PA that can take on the work as well. :) In fact, we are doing quite well.  There was a study that came out recently that shows more and more people want to actually hold a catalog and magazine in their hands. Many companies are going back to printing catalogs. Even JC Penny announced it was going to print a catalog again.  As someone who works in the printing industry, I can tell you it's not the industry that's suffering.  Yes, the recession did do some harm and my company cut back on labour, but we've been adding machinery steadily for the last few years. Our business is doing very well (we print catalogs, magzines, calendars, etc...no books in the sense of Barnes & Noble).

Also, for what it's worth, Quad does not print newspapers.

 

So, Quad does not use newsprint--nor are most catalogs printed on newsprint.

I find it much easier to find what I am looking for in a catalog I am holding in my hands than it is to use an online catalog.

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Posted by avonlea22 on Friday, November 6, 2015 8:19 PM

Bruce Kelly

Quad prints quite a few of the rail enthusiast magazines some of us read. If any of them end up needing a new place with a Harris M1000 press to produce their product, a certain printing plant here in northern Idaho is ready to begin receiving their page files via InSite.

 

I happen to know a large commercial printer in PA that can take on the work as well. :) In fact, we are doing quite well.  There was a study that came out recently that shows more and more people want to actually hold a catalog and magazine in their hands. Many companies are going back to printing catalogs. Even JC Penny announced it was going to print a catalog again.  As someone who works in the printing industry, I can tell you it's not the industry that's suffering.  Yes, the recession did do some harm and my company cut back on labour, but we've been adding machinery steadily for the last few years. Our business is doing very well (we print catalogs, magzines, calendars, etc...no books in the sense of Barnes & Noble).

Also, for what it's worth, Quad does not print newspapers.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, November 6, 2015 6:47 PM

Ever try to read the album notes or even the song lyrics on a CD liner?  Jeez!  Never had that problem with vinyl!

In a way, I've got you all beat.  When we have a power failure here we've still got music.  I just crank up the Victrola!  Ahhh, a little Caruso in the night...

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, November 6, 2015 3:51 PM

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Just about every popular album comes on vinyl now.  People want the big art and gatefold sleeves.  The vinyl usually includes a download code of some kind so you can get a digital copy as well (included in the price).  A good deal if you ask me.

 

  My sons started buying record albums.  Suddenly nerd dad who owns a turntable isn't such an uncool, old fart afterall.

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Posted by fieryturbo on Friday, November 6, 2015 3:36 PM

switch7frg

Smile Don't forget the ever popular fish wrapper. 

I'm not eating anything wrapped in a newspaper.  That's pretty filthy.

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BaltACD
You mean I can't play a 33 1/3 album on my I-pad?

 

If you can get the iPad to turn that fast it might work. LOL Wink

 

Just about every popular album comes on vinyl now.  People want the big art and gatefold sleeves.  The vinyl usually includes a download code of some kind so you can get a digital copy as well (included in the price).  A good deal if you ask me.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, November 6, 2015 3:10 PM

45 rpm records would fit better on th iPad--but they would really strain it.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Friday, November 6, 2015 2:07 PM

BaltACD
You mean I can't play a 33 1/3 album on my I-pad?

If you can get the iPad to turn that fast it might work. LOL Wink

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, November 6, 2015 2:00 PM

CSSHEGEWISCH

An article in the Chicago Tribune brought up another issue that archivists and others have to address with all record-keeping going digital.  What happens when the technology advances and digital records in an older format can no longer be read?  The article mentioned the experience of archivists at Northwestern University, who are searching for old cell phones (with chargers and connectors) and other similar devices so these records can be read.

You mean I can't play a 33 1/3 album on my I-pad?

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, November 6, 2015 8:33 AM

An article in the Chicago Tribune brought up another issue that archivists and others have to address with all record-keeping going digital.  What happens when the technology advances and digital records in an older format can no longer be read?  The article mentioned the experience of archivists at Northwestern University, who are searching for old cell phones (with chargers and connectors) and other similar devices so these records can be read.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, November 5, 2015 6:51 PM

"Out of sight, out of mind" indeed.  Lady Firestorms employer used to put out a monthly newsletter, then went digital about eight years ago.

Lo and behold, things ready to be seen in the old newsletter were totally missed in the on-line version, no-one ever thinks to look in there.  The company ended up setting up electronic billboards at various locations on the property.  Shades of the old low-tech bulletin board!

My employer has an employee website that's a complicated mess.  Only the cubicle dwellers have the time to peruse it, and sometimes not even them.

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Posted by Deggesty on Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:31 AM

My older brothers took the magazine American Boy, and saved almost all of the issues from about 1930 to when it ceased publication in 1941 or 1942. It had adventure, sports, and science fiction stories, and articles on many subjects. My youngest brother (15 1/2 months older than I) read them all--and were dismayed when the issue with the final installment of a story was missing. When I moved to Utah, I was delighted to find that the Salt Lake City library had a file that went back to 1930--and read every issue.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, November 5, 2015 9:00 AM

Two clubs I am a member of used to produce printed newsletters every month.  I'd get them in the mail and read through them - maybe even learning something.

Both have gone digital and online only.  I may think to look at the web sites once or twice a year.  Out of sight, out of mind.

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