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Why does Hollywood keep perpetuating the stereotype that Subways are fulll of drunks and crazys?

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Posted by M636C on Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:38 PM
See today's Newswire about Tokyo drunks!

Sixty Four Percent of women in the age category reporting!

That's an epidemic. Hollywood should try that for a subject (or probably not, thanks!).

But that does suggest some truth in the stereotype.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 9:29 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by mloik

QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Just stating the facts, Cant deny the facts here in Cleveland


There are facts, and there are appropriate ways to communicate facts. Yours was inappropriate.


That boy's got issues...

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Posted by mloik on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:52 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Clevelandrocks

Just stating the facts, Cant deny the facts here in Cleveland


There are facts, and there are appropriate ways to communicate facts. Yours was inappropriate.
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Posted by mloik on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:48 PM
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Ahhh Coopers.......that's Australian for hangover



Despite spending a bunch of time in Australia three years ago, I just had my first Coopers this past Sunday.

Very tasty.
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Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:34 PM
Peter,


HAHAHAHAHA .... touche'

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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 4:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

Peter


I knew those Mad Max movies were documentaries..[;)]



Dan,

I assume you are talking about Mad Max III "Beyond Thunderdome" - the rail scenes were taken on the the Australian National line from Broken Hill to Port Pirie (South Australia, where Coopers beer comes from). There were more than the usual group of very strange people using fairly odd rail transport.

Conrad Black tried his hand in Australian media, but was driven off by our even more frightening media owners.

Peter


Ahhh Coopers.......that's Australian for hangover

After seeing pictures of the vehicles over there..what are they called..Road Trains, the big rigs with multiple trailers? I thought that was everyday life....[;)]





Dan,

Before visting the United States, I always watch some of the documentaries on the USA that explain the way of life there - usually "The Simpsons".

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Posted by CBQ_Guy on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 1:50 PM
You mean they're not?

(Things must have changed since I left Chicago 25 years ago...)
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 12:28 PM
".....that Hollywood Directorsa who ride in limos keep promoting ther stereotype in Dooby Brothers Dolby Suround Sound Stereo..."
quite a fine stereotype in its own right.

hollywood manufactures movies. movies are often qualify as films which are an accepted art form. artists create and manipulate metaphor. metaphor can degenerate into stereotype. it is up to the viewer to filter the metaphor through his own personal experience to discover whether or not there is a valid message in the image. hollywood will keep putting out stereotypes of blended half truth and half falsehood, such as the "hooker with the heart of gold", the "southern sheriff / bigot", "the black crack smoking subway mugger" until people begin to tire of the image and its lack of creativity.
this takes a long, long time because everyday folks, like most of us, do not go to movies to be educated . we go to be entertained. stereotypes are an easy trick and until they become boring, they work just fine as entertainment.
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Posted by dharmon on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 11:02 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

Peter


I knew those Mad Max movies were documentaries..[;)]



Dan,

I assume you are talking about Mad Max III "Beyond Thunderdome" - the rail scenes were taken on the the Australian National line from Broken Hill to Port Pirie (South Australia, where Coopers beer comes from). There were more than the usual group of very strange people using fairly odd rail transport.

Conrad Black tried his hand in Australian media, but was driven off by our even more frightening media owners.

Peter


Ahhh Coopers.......that's Australian for hangover

After seeing pictures of the vehicles over there..what are they called..Road Trains, the big rigs with multiple trailers? I thought that was everyday life....[;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:59 AM
".....that Hollywood Directorsa who ride in limos keep promoting ther stereotype in Dooby Brothers Dolby Suround Sound Stereo..."
quite a fine stereotype in its own right.

hollywood manufactures movies. movies are often qualify as films which are an accepted art form. artists create and manipulate metaphor. metaphor can degenerate into stereotype. it is up to the viewer to filter the metaphor through his own personal experience to discover whether or not there is a valid message in the image. hollywood will keep putting out stereotypes of blended half truth and half falsehood, such as the "hooker with the heart of gold", the "southern sheriff / bigot", "the black crack smoking subway mugger" until people begin to tire of the image and its lack of creativity.
this takes a long, long time because everyday folks, like most of us, do not go to movies to be educated . we go to be entertained. stereotypes are an easy trick and until they become boring, they work just fine as entertainment.
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Posted by M636C on Tuesday, November 23, 2004 3:15 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

Peter


I knew those Mad Max movies were documentaries..[;)]



Dan,

I assume you are talking about Mad Max III "Beyond Thunderdome" - the rail scenes were taken on the the Australian National line from Broken Hill to Port Pirie (South Australia, where Coopers beer comes from). There were more than the usual group of very strange people using fairly odd rail transport.

Conrad Black tried his hand in Australian media, but was driven off by our even more frightening media owners.

Peter
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Posted by locomutt on Monday, November 22, 2004 9:07 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

So am I the only one that finds irony in an individual that is on his fourth or fifth screen name, and who has previously posted on the rights of vagrants and migratory workers to ride the rails among other things, is wondering why Hollywood stereotypes groups?

Maybe I'm reading into this too much.......


I'm with you and jeaton;NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by locomutt on Monday, November 22, 2004 9:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by railman

QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

I think at this point we need the hand on forehead, looking down, shaking head smilie. [sigh]
[#ditto]


That goes with a double [#ditto][#ditto]

Being Crazy,keeps you from going "INSANE" !! "The light at the end of the tunnel,has been turned off due to budget cuts" NOT AFRAID A Vet., and PROUD OF IT!!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 8:29 PM
Just stating the facts, Cant deny the facts here in Cleveland
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Posted by railman on Monday, November 22, 2004 8:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by dharmon

I think at this point we need the hand on forehead, looking down, shaking head smilie. [sigh]
[#ditto]
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Posted by dharmon on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:57 PM
I think at this point we need the hand on forehead, looking down, shaking head smilie. [sigh]
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:47 PM
Okay try the Number 6 all night bus in Cleveland or the 10 Owl service all night. It is intresting that in Black Nieghborhoods the Buses run all night but when they hit the white suburbs they are completely empty. Are they all on African Standard Time? I mean dont white people have to get around at those hours too?
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Posted by jeaton on Monday, November 22, 2004 7:20 PM
Dan

Not.

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Posted by dharmon on Monday, November 22, 2004 6:33 PM
So am I the only one that finds irony in an individual that is on his fourth or fifth screen name, and who has previously posted on the rights of vagrants and migratory workers to ride the rails among other things, is wondering why Hollywood stereotypes groups?

Maybe I'm reading into this too much.......
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Posted by dharmon on Monday, November 22, 2004 5:18 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

Peter


I knew those Mad Max movies were documentaries..[;)]
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Posted by Junctionfan on Monday, November 22, 2004 5:10 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by M636C

Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

Peter


LOL

The way he is getting into trouble with his shareholders and various governments, he is going to be poor enough he might need to live on them.
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:32 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by DSchmitt

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The only problem was it was raining, every seam in the bus roof leaked, and every seam was over the middle of a seat.


Thats why there were no crazies on the bus at 3am in the rain....[;)]

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Posted by M636C on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:30 PM
Junctionfan,

Somehow your image of Conrad Black on a Subway train struck me as pretty scary. I've never seen Rupert Murdoch on a train either!

The scariest things on Australian trains are drunken teenage schoolboys - if you can keep out of their way, you can think how lucky it is that they can't afford a car!

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Posted by DSchmitt on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:25 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by vsmith

Come to L.A. and ride the Metro bus system if you want to see some serious insane types. So far the light rail and subway have been mostly free of it, but the transit police do a good job of keeping the real bad cases from camping out on the trains.


I once road a bus at 3 AM on Sunset Blvd. There wern't any obvious bums on board, which I thought unusual because of the number I normally saw in the daytime. The only problem was it was raining, every seam in the bus roof leaked, and every seam was over the middle of a seat.


Don't know if its true, but I've read that the crime on the Ney York subways dropped dramatically when they started arresting people for not paying the fare.

I tried to sell my two cents worth, but no one would give me a plug nickel for it.

I don't have a leg to stand on.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 4:13 PM
Seattle doesn't have a subway, but it does have a downtown bus tunnel which is wider, safer and better lit than any subway tunnel I've ever been in. Someday, if Seattle voters ever get their acts together, it will also accomodate light rail.

Right now there is zero "streetlife" hanging out down there and I'm not the least bit uncomfortable. Guess I'll have to wait for the coming of rail to attract the creepies and the movie makers??

I'm being *extremely* facetious, I hope you realize... '-)

Best wishes!

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Posted by vsmith on Monday, November 22, 2004 3:53 PM
You should have heard the stink when MTA wanted to expand the subway into the San Fernando Valley! A small group of very vocal Nimby's croaked loud enough to stop the subway at North Hollywood. The MTA now is building an express busway westward towards Warner Center but even this is getting crybabies opposing it. I honestly dont know what the hell these idiot Nimby's want? They gripe about how horrible the traffic is, but then they kill any attempt to improve traffic or transit. I dont get it?

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, November 22, 2004 3:48 PM
The Think is that when Subways and Heavy rail want to expand out in the Burbs into areas that never had Subways the Suberban Public gets uo in arms because this is all they know
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Posted by vsmith on Monday, November 22, 2004 3:43 PM
Come to L.A. and ride the Metro bus system if you want to see some serious insane types. So far the light rail and subway have been mostly free of it, but the transit police do a good job of keeping the real bad cases from camping out on the trains.

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Posted by espeefoamer on Monday, November 22, 2004 3:39 PM
They're describing a late night ride on Sacramento's light rail system.A friend who used to live in Sacramento,tells me that the locals call the system "Fright Rail"[:0].
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