Oil by highway also presents risks

[blue streak 1]

NDG

http://www.timminstimes.com/2015/02/15/cn-train-hauling-crude-oil-derails-near-gogama

No access by road.  will a big hook be sent in or just flat car side winders?

 

[NDG]

And Another??

http://www.timminstimes.com/2015/02/15/cn-train-hauling-crude-oil-derails-near-gogama

 

FWIW. It is Minus - 30 F in Timmins rite now.

Thank You.

[samfp1943]

NDG

Here is oil by rail by a highway.

http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2015/02/14/train-derails-at-frank-slide

Thank You.

 

To sort of pull this back to the OP's Topic Re: "Oil by highway also presents risks."

With a tip of a hat to Admirals Kimmel an Negummo...Many of us have a firm grip on how that turned out.

I would defer to our resident expert on Canadian Trucking: "Ulrich". He certainly is familiar with the problems of Canadian Truckers...Most of us in the USA have only vicariously experienced it via  television. 

The TV Show "Highway Thru Hell" ( filmed in British Columbia and Alberta), and "Ice Road Truckers" which has segments filmed both in Alaska, and in Canada; for anyone that wants a fast walk through the problems of trucking 'right side up, and upside down' in the Northlands. 

The link provided b NDG  shows the intergity of modern railroad tankcars and their survivability in a derailment, rather than an indictment of their ability to survive, and hold cargo within, in a derailment, of other than catastrophic proportions.  Transportation in any mode will always be problematic; risks will always need to be mitigated.

 

[NDG]

Here is oil by rail by a highway.

http://www.pinchercreekecho.com/2015/02/14/train-derails-at-frank-slide

Thank You.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

tomikawaTT

After Midway, Admiral Nagumo was sent to Saipan as commander of local naval forces - a few land-based aircraft.  He was still there when the Marines landed...

Chuck

To be fair, it isn't all that different from what happened to Admiral Kimmel after Pearl Harbor.

[tomikawaTT]

Deggesty

 

Quoting from Japan's Imperial Conspiracy, by David Bergamini, "The Submarine Base, the Naval Shipyard, the Naval Center, and the fuel oil 'tank farm' which held almost as much petroleum as Japan's entire stockpile were all overlooked through ignorance

With all due respect, they were NOT overlooked.  There was supposed to have been a second attack, and those things were all specifically targeted.  Admiral Nagumo (yes, the same one) cancelled that second wave after receiving reports that the first wave had stirred up a hornet's nest.

After Midway, Admiral Nagumo was sent to Saipan as commander of local naval forces - a few land-based aircraft.  He was still there when the Marines landed...

Chuck

[BaltACD]

Bomb trucks!

[Deggesty]

aricat

It also should be pointed out the Japanese Imperial Navy did not attack the US Navy fuel tanks and facilities during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Some historians think this blunder cost Japan the War. That fuel was used by the US Navy to power its fleet at Midway. If these fuel supplies would have been destroyed, the US Navy would have been fighting the war from San Diego.

 

Quoting from Japan's Imperial Conspiracy, by David Bergamini, "The Submarine Base, the Naval Shipyard, the Naval Center, and the fuel oil 'tank farm' which held almost as much petroleum as Japan's entire stockpile were all overlooked through ignorance."

The book (more than 1100 pages in paperback) is quite interesting as it goes back to the origins of the Japanese people and goes through the trials after the war Japan waged against the United States. It took me several days to re-read it recently.

[aricat]

It also should be pointed out the Japanese Imperial Navy did not attack the US Navy fuel tanks and facilities during the attack on Pearl Harbor. Some historians think this blunder cost Japan the War. That fuel was used by the US Navy to power its fleet at Midway. If these fuel supplies would have been destroyed, the US Navy would have been fighting the war from San Diego.

[dakotafred]

Ulrich

All modes of transportation present some risk, and apparently its a risk we're ready to live with. It's why we fly with cut rate airlines who hire rookie pilots, it's why we tolerate fuel tankers on our busy streets during rush hour, its why accidents like the Exxon Valdez happen. They're calculated risks, and sometimes we lose.  

 

This is the grownup way of looking at things. When someone insists on 100-percent risk-free, that's your tipoff that there is a political agenda at work.

[Deggesty]

Paul_D_North_Jr

Touche, Chuck ! (tomikawaTT)

Those fires had a little help in getting started, though . . .

- Paul North. 

 

Yes, in the battle for Midway, four US bombs landed on Kaga, two on Akagi, and three on Soryu-- andthe decks of all three were piled high with flammables and explosives as the sailors were preparing to launch another air attack. Hiryu (the fourth large carrier) was left dead in the water by pilots from Enterprise and Yorktown, and, at the command of Admiral Nagumo, she was sunk by Japanese torpedoes. We lost one carrier, Yorktown.

The battle of Midway was a turning point in the battle for the South Pacific. The worst loss to the Japanese was not that of planes and ships, but of the skilled pilots who had had much experience.

[tree68]

Ulrich

Well, how else would you get gas into the gas stations?

I was looking for old images of this area on the web today and happened upon one of a long line at a gas station in Detroit - back in the late 40's, I think.  The caption/comments noted that there was a trucker's strike on, meaning that most gas stations couldn't get product.

Not so this gas station, as the railroad tank car that provided their product was plainly visible in the image...

[Murphy Siding]

tomikawaTT

 

......Considering that four major gasoline fires changed the military balance of power in the Pacific in a single day*,......

 

*What four fires?  the ones aboard Kaga, Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu.

 

Chuck

 

  Thanks from those of us that got the connection.

[Ulrich]

All modes of transportation present some risk, and apparently its a risk we're ready to live with. It's why we fly with cut rate airlines who hire rookie pilots, it's why we tolerate fuel tankers on our busy streets during rush hour, its why accidents like the Exxon Valdez happen. They're calculated risks, and sometimes we lose.  

[samfp1943]

csxns

What about that Montana pipeline spilling 50 thousand + into the Yellowstone river.

 

Apparently, this spill ( dated about 19 Jan. 2015) Has not made it into the national News Cycle yet?   A 'friend' commented it on FB today.

Here is a link to the story @ http://www.commondreams.org/news/2015/01/19/ruptured-pipeline-pumps-tens-thousands-gallons-shale-oil-along-yellowstone-river

Published on Monday, January 19, 2015 by Common Dreams

"Ruptured Pipeline Pumps Tens of Thousands of Gallons of Shale Oil Along Yellowstone River"

"Residents in eastern Montana worry about contamination after "unknown amount" of Bakken crude enters water supply"

bySarah Lazare, staff writer

 

Face it folks, virtually every mode of transportation is potentially hazardous, in one way or another...Anyone see the TV Show " Highway thru Hell" lately around here has played on the Weather Channel.  Watching that is akin (IMHO) to watching  a Big Rig Demolition Derby.  

  For the volume of product moved the railroads are doing a remarkable job,  relatively safely.    Pipelines, probably similarly.  Face it nothing 'sells' like Bad News, and holds viewer's attention, as well.   

 

[Ulrich]

Well, how else would you get gas into the gas stations? Truck is the only cost effective way. The article states the driver may have fallen asleep. He's probably lost his job over this as perhaps he should... Sleep deprivation remains a serious issue for both truck and rail workers. The simple answer is to stop driving and rest if you're tired... simple in theory, but try keeping your job if you book off too often when the logs and "safety experts" tell you that you "should" be A ok to go. 

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

Touche, Chuck ! (tomikawaTT)

Those fires had a little help in getting started, though . . .

- Paul North. 

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

csxns

What about that Montana pipeline spilling 50 thousand + into the Yellowstone river.

And contaminating Glendive's water supply.

A similar spill of 60,000+ gals. occurred there in 2011, too - see:

 http://www.npr.org/2015/01/20/378660013/montana-governor-declares-state-of-emergency-after-river-oil-spill 

- Paul North.

[Firelock76]

Can you imagine if all those railcars carrying oil were on the highways being pulled by individual tractor units?

I shudder to think about it.

[tomikawaTT]

edblysard

Oh, now surely the authorities would never allow something really dangerous to be on the public roads, right?

 

Come now, Ed.  Everybody knows that gasoline isn't dangerous.  After all, little old ladies from Pasadena can buy it (for their V8 muscle cars...)

 

Considering that four major gasoline fires changed the military balance of power in the Pacific in a single day*, I wonder what would have happened if there had been a CPSC in 1900.

 

*What four fires?  the ones aboard Kaga, Akagi, Soryu and Hiryu.

 

Chuck

[csxns]

What about that Montana pipeline spilling 50 thousand + into the Yellowstone river.

[edblysard]

Oh, now surly the authorities would never allow something really dangerous to be on the public roads, right?

[cx500]

Because road accidents usually only get local coverage, to some people it may appear that only the railroads present safety problems.  And I vaguely recall that may have included one or two postings in this forum.

Anyway, here is one that just happened in Alberta.

  http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/gas-tanker-rolls-over-on-highway-near-calgary-spilling-13-000-litres-into-wetland-1.2919687 

While it did close the highway for a while, it seems majpr spills from highway accidents don't require evacuations.  Must be the liquid is somehow transformed depending on the carrier. 

John