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Reopening Gallitzen Tunnel

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Posted by GP40-2 on Friday, September 26, 2014 10:11 PM

More than likely, the tunnel is in bad shape from being closed so long. Before the Allegheny mountain building event 280 million years ago, what is now western PA was a tropical swamp. There are miles of layered sandstone, limestone, coal, shale, mudstone, etc. It is very unstable and caves in easily. Probably a large portion of the tunnel would have to be repaired/relined for safe operation.

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Posted by ndbprr on Monday, September 15, 2014 5:29 PM
Don't see electrification ever happening. NS would have to purchase motive power in addition to catenary. There is a reason no one takes it seriously. $$$$.
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Posted by oltmannd on Monday, September 15, 2014 1:19 PM

I believe the original tunnel was the double track one in the middle.  The tunnel to the north was added later and was alway single track.  Finally the tunnel to the south was added a good bit later.  Conrail enlarged the middle, original, double track tunnel and closed the one to the north.  I'm not sure if the tunnel to the south was enlarged for stacks and racks...

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, September 15, 2014 12:35 PM

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When Norfolk Southern lowered the floors on the other two tunnels to allow for double stacks they relined the tunnedls.  They have four tracks ( two through each tunnel), so IFthey ever decided to reactivate the middle tunnel they probably would they do the same to the middle tunnel or just use it for general freight and forgo the cost of increasing the height of the tunnel roof?

 
1.  Thought the south tunnel  ( higher elevation ) was only a single track ?
2.  Lowering is definitely the way to go as that reduces the energy needed to get over the hill. +  lowering is much less expensive. That way south tunnel could be mothballed ?
3.  clearance might be improved to 25 feet to plan for any electrification clearances ?  That might as well include new ceiling liner to prevent future ceiling falls ?
 
 
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Posted by caldreamer on Monday, September 15, 2014 8:34 AM

When Norfolk Southern lowered the floors on the other two tunnels to allow for double stacks they relined the tunnedls.  They have four tracks ( two through each tunnel), so IFthey ever decided to reactivate the middle tunnel they probably would they do the same to the middle tunnel or just use it for general freight and forgo the cost of increasing the height of the tunnel roof?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, September 14, 2014 10:11 PM

Ambient temperature in that part of PA is probably in the mid to upper 40s, so if the tunnel is sealed, there should be no freezing temps.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, September 14, 2014 9:01 PM

With it having been near 20 years with NO maintenance - I would be surprised if there might not be some areas of roof collapse.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:53 PM

Correct, 1994 - 1996 time frame (would have to look it up to see exactly when, if it matters) - by its then-owner, ConRail (not NS). 

That tunnel's lining is likely in poor condition, even if protected by the end seals from freeze-thaw cycle conditions.  The old linings were in poor condition then anyway - usually loose brick, some 'shot-crete', etc. - mainly from water infiltration, vibration, corrosive smoke, etc., and the tunnels are shallow enough to have encountered 'bootleg'-type coal mines and other voids from the town above.  Blasting of the tunnels 'back in the day' was so severe that it damaged a girl's school on the surface above the tunnels.  Even during the clearance enlargement project there was a substantial rockfall that was large enough to kill one worker (truck driver out of his cab, as I recall).   

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Posted by Leo_Ames on Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:45 PM

Mid 1990's was when it sealed, as I recall, after a clearance project. 

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Posted by ramrod on Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:33 PM

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make it necessary to reline the tunnel, or would it be in good condition as is.

The short answer to your question is "Yes." In other words, it all depends on what the condition of the tunnel happens to be, and there's no way to tell that without inspecting it.  It's also possible that NS would want to do the necessary work so that the tunnel could handle double stck intermodal. All speculative, of course.

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Posted by ndbprr on Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:06 PM
Don't know how it is sealed but it probably is warmer then if the ends were open. It may not even be below freezing. PRR had at least one hopper with an icicle breaker on it so ice was a problem then. If they ever intend to reuse it it probably gets regular inspections.
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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, September 14, 2014 4:49 PM

How long has it been sealed?

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Reopening Gallitzen Tunnel
Posted by caldreamer on Sunday, September 14, 2014 4:47 PM

i know that Norfolk Southern has sealed the middle tunnel at Gallitzen.  I am not sure what the lining is in the tunnel, but if they ever wanted to reopn it, would water damage due to the annual freeze and thaw cycles they we have here in Pennsylvania make it necessary to reline the tunnel, or would it be in good condition as is.

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