I know I will be branded as a... well... something; but I am thinking the video is fake.
I know that there is a lot of evidence that the video is real... statements by the prez of the company, the statements that the women are known and subject to arrest and all that... And I can't really see any reason for someone to fake the video...
But I still have trouble believing the video is real. My reasoning for thinking it is fake:
1. It is a very grainy and out of focus video... videos I have seen from other loco-mounted cameras are much better than that.
2. The one woman was laying down in the gauge and MIGHT have fit under the plow and under-parts of the engine, but the other woman was kneeling next to her as she went out of view behind the nose of the engine... I don't think she would have had time to turn and lay flat before being hit by the plow of the engine.
3. I really don't think the women were slender enough to fit under the engine and train cars. PERIOD. Yes, they ain't "fat" but they are not that skinny, either.
4. The women were said to crawl out from under the locomotives in one account, and from under the train in another account. Where did the crawl "to"... I believe the locomotives were off the bridge before it came to a stop, but I don't believe the whole train had cleared the women such that they could get up and walk back across the bridge to get away.
I know the legend that it takes a mile to stop a freight train, but I have seen many trains of various lengths stop in much shorter distances from what I perceive to be similar speeds. I have not seen any statements as to whether it was a long train or a short train, or the weight of the train, so I cannot say how long it should have taken to get stopped, but if it were short enough to let the women crawl out from under at the rear, then it should have been able to stop long before it did. If it were a long train, then they would have to crawl a long way to get out from under to the rear.
So did they crawl out from under to the side? And if so, how did they get off the bridge? There is NO ROOM for a person to walk along side the train and there is not that much to hang on to on the side of cars to be able to walk on the ends of the ties and not fall by hanging on to something.
Did they crawl toward the engines and then come out from under the side... again, that is a long way to crawl in a very confined space.
I would be interested to know if they are really prosecuted... if they are not, then that is another piece of evidence that the video is fake.
You are free to think of me as you will... I just want to go on record as not believing everything I see or read on the internet.
Semper Vaporo
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Kyle How about when new bridges are built, the first section from the end will have no ties. Instead have two large beams connected by supports that are spaced too far apart to step on. The rails are placed on the beams. A ten foot section should to the trick. If any maintance needs to be done, just have a eleven foot peice of steel walk way that they lay across the gap.
How about when new bridges are built, the first section from the end will have no ties. Instead have two large beams connected by supports that are spaced too far apart to step on. The rails are placed on the beams. A ten foot section should to the trick. If any maintance needs to be done, just have a eleven foot peice of steel walk way that they lay across the gap.
Wouldn't work. The wannabe Olympic gymnasts would simply use the rails (running and guard) as balance beams. The challenge would probably attract MORE of the dim-witted ones.
Chuck (sometimes gymnastics fan, never right-of-way trespasser)
Murphy Siding Randy Stahl Maybe a half mile of penitentiary style fence in both directions would make it too long of a walk to get out onto the bridge? There's a major railroad bridge running through our City's namesake park that sees a lot of trespassers. I've always felt that the situation would improve if the Parks Dept. planted some strategic acres of cactus, poison ivy, thistles and plum thickets.
Randy Stahl Maybe a half mile of penitentiary style fence in both directions would make it too long of a walk to get out onto the bridge?
Maybe a half mile of penitentiary style fence in both directions would make it too long of a walk to get out onto the bridge?
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csxnsKyleDELETE YOUR POST!!! I will not tolerate being called names!!! I believe name calling is a childish and uncivilized behavior!!! YOU ARE SPREADING LIESWhy don't you report.
KyleDELETE YOUR POST!!! I will not tolerate being called names!!! I believe name calling is a childish and uncivilized behavior!!! YOU ARE SPREADING LIES
I give people a chance to realize their behavior is wrong and fix it before a moderator has to get involved. Personally I think it is better if both people can solve a problem like this. However if they don't respond within a day, I will report their post.
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NP Eddie What is the lineage of that line of the Indiana Railroad? Ed Burns Retired NP-BN-BNSF
What is the lineage of that line of the Indiana Railroad?
Ed Burns
Retired NP-BN-BNSF
Russell
A heavy steel chain yes. But I am talking about the lightest metal chain you can buy at a hardware store. It would not kill anyone. Just be slightly painful and on the news it would sound deadly and discourage trespassers.
schlimm KyleA piece of chain should be hung from the bottom of locomotives to discourage idiots from laying in between the rail and having a train go over them. I sure one idiot has probably already tried this. Says Troller Kyle, who under various other aliases hops freights, makes threats and has gotten kicked off this forum. If you have doubts, ask Murphy.
KyleA piece of chain should be hung from the bottom of locomotives to discourage idiots from laying in between the rail and having a train go over them. I sure one idiot has probably already tried this.
Says Troller Kyle, who under various other aliases hops freights, makes threats and has gotten kicked off this forum. If you have doubts, ask Murphy.
DELETE YOUR POST!!! I will not tolerate being called names!!! I believe name calling is a childish and uncivilized behavior!!! YOU ARE SPREADING LIES!!!! I have never been kicked off this forum, I have never used another account of this forum, I do not hop freights or make threats! Why are you targeting me with your lies.
Once you delete your post, I will delete this one. Please act civilized and stop in you childish behavior.
I believe this is the second time you he called me names.
Deggesty Kyle Thankfully the train didn't take down the bridge when it derailed. However the fact that it did slightly derail will give the railroad more reason to sue these idiots till their broke and push for maximum jail time. That will send a clear message to people that trespassing is illegal and dangerous. I hope that Operation Lifesaver will use this incident to help educate the public on safety around railroads by using the media. A piece of chain should be hung from the bottom of locomotives to discourage idiots from laying in between the rail and having a train go over them. I sure one idiot has probably already tried this. Did the train derail? The account reads "Had the train derailed...."
Kyle Thankfully the train didn't take down the bridge when it derailed. However the fact that it did slightly derail will give the railroad more reason to sue these idiots till their broke and push for maximum jail time. That will send a clear message to people that trespassing is illegal and dangerous. I hope that Operation Lifesaver will use this incident to help educate the public on safety around railroads by using the media. A piece of chain should be hung from the bottom of locomotives to discourage idiots from laying in between the rail and having a train go over them. I sure one idiot has probably already tried this.
Thankfully the train didn't take down the bridge when it derailed. However the fact that it did slightly derail will give the railroad more reason to sue these idiots till their broke and push for maximum jail time. That will send a clear message to people that trespassing is illegal and dangerous. I hope that Operation Lifesaver will use this incident to help educate the public on safety around railroads by using the media.
A piece of chain should be hung from the bottom of locomotives to discourage idiots from laying in between the rail and having a train go over them. I sure one idiot has probably already tried this.
I apologize for my mistake, I thought it said the train had derailed, but luckily it didn't take down the bridge. I was quickly reading.
edblysardHow do you “slightly derail” a train? Isn’t that like being “slightly pregnant?”
It is more like having a small accident and having a dent in your car or having a major accident and your car gets totaled. The small derailment is just a matter of rerailing the rolling stock. A large derailment is the train falling off the bridge and possibly bringing the bridge down.
The commenter said "Most engineers end up killing one person a year on the tracks", they didn't say those killed were all trespassers, they may have been some of the thousands, in the commenter's mind, of pedestrian deaths at malfunctioning grade crossings, who we really couldn't consider trespassers.
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BaltACD Deggesty How many of us have read the comments to the news story? One was made out of pure ignorance: "Most engineers end up killing one person a year on the tracks, and many develop PTSD as a result. " A person a year per engineer is a gross overestimation, however, for those operating over the road, the question is when, not if.
Deggesty How many of us have read the comments to the news story? One was made out of pure ignorance: "Most engineers end up killing one person a year on the tracks, and many develop PTSD as a result. "
How many of us have read the comments to the news story? One was made out of pure ignorance: "Most engineers end up killing one person a year on the tracks, and many develop PTSD as a result. "
A person a year per engineer is a gross overestimation, however, for those operating over the road, the question is when, not if.
Johnny
Indianapolis TV reporter says a private investigator was able to identify the women by the plate number of their getaway car. Perhaps it was a car they drove to the bridge, or perhaps they found a good Samaritan.
http://fox59.com/2014/07/29/watch-women-lie-down-on-railroad-tracks-narrowly-escape-death-as-train-bears-down/
Semper Vaporo From all I read, the train did NOT derail (slightly or not). It was mentioned in a public comment that putting a train into emergency braking COULD derail a train, but nowhere have I seen any mention about this train derailing at all.
From all I read, the train did NOT derail (slightly or not). It was mentioned in a public comment that putting a train into emergency braking COULD derail a train, but nowhere have I seen any mention about this train derailing at all.
The Butler Here is a statement released by the Indiana Rail Road (PDF file, 55.03 KB): Shuffle Creek Trestle
Here is a statement released by the
Indiana Rail Road (PDF file, 55.03 KB):
Shuffle Creek Trestle
What were they doing there at 0650 - In the MORNING? Hardly the time for 'normal' youthful indiscretions.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
henry6Hand cuffs or straight jackets? We've a hard time in this country getting this correct.
Says "Junior Troller" Kyle, who appears obsessed with eliminationist solutions for dealing with folks who offend his sensibilities: trespassers, cars and pedestrians at crossings, idiots, etc.
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There was apparently no derailment, slight or otherwise.
It seems like Kyle's chain could have hit them on the head, possibly fatally; or discouraged them from taking the one possible action that saved their lives. Maybe we ought to forget about the chain, OK?
Tom
or slightly dead..
Was there only an engineer onboard?
“In this case, not only did two trespassers narrowly escape a horrible death, but had the heavy train derailed due to the emergency brake application – which isn’t uncommon – it could have taken down the bridge, possibly killing the engineer as well."
If not, they forgot someone...
http://www.inrd.com/documents/news_releases/2014-07-29_Shuffle_Creek.pdf
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