Milwaukee Road GP20s

[fuzzybroken]

Hey,

Just found this shot of Lycoming Valley "GP20" on RailPictures.net:
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=76121

Is this really a GP20? If it is, it would be ex-MILW (probably ex-CC too), or rather a "MILW GP20" instead of a "EMD GP20".

What happened to the CC GP20s after IC repurchased the railroad?

Thanks!
-Mark Hintz
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[Anonymous]

Some sources also call these locomotives a GP20M; probably to avoid confusion with a real GP20.

A couple were scrapped while others went to serve on various shortlines.

[Randy Stahl]

CCP bought a big bunch of them. I think one by one they died and were replaced by paducha geeps. I saw a group of them at Woodcrest a few years back I recall them being scrapped on site.
I don't think they were ever changed from 17.5 ERS. I would have called them GP20-M's but no one payed any attention to me ! From 1969 to 1974, everyone was doing this to their locomotives. EMD had a spec sheet on exactly what to do, along with a parts list. The prime mover needed to be rebalenced etc.
Randy

[Randy Stahl]

The D-22 generator was plenty... Remember that the GP30 was 2250 HP and also used the D22. In addition the GP 30 used the good old 567 D . When we loadboxed the GP 20 s it was between 1800 and 2000 hp. The C block was a good machine, EMD indicated that 2000 horsepower was the max for that design.
Randy
ps ... I miss the Milwaukee.

[ericsp]

The Southern Pacific Roster I have (August 1990) lists the SD40s and SD45s that they rebuilt as SD40-2s and SD45-2s. I am guessing they were uprgraded to -2 standards. The railroads (I would guess) don't care if they are bought as -2s, all they care about is what the locomotive can do.

[Anonymous]

A few years ago when most of the Georgetown RR was acquired by the UP they had a couple of the ex-MILW GP20s for sale. Seemed like decent units. They did indeed have the 645 packs and D22 MGENs. As I recall the TMs were D77s.

LC

[Randy Stahl]

I have seen the SP rebuilt SD45s ( I pay attention to SD45s.. what can I say ). I thought the SP did a great job. The dash 2 is an electrical system improvement almost entirely. getting rid of the performance control panel and installing PF module made it worth it>
Randy

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350

Some sources also call these locomotives a GP20M; probably to avoid confusion with a real GP20.

A couple were scrapped while others went to serve on various shortlines.

Not me. A Milwaukee GP20 is a "MILW GP20", as opposed to a "EMD GP20".

I'm still wondering whether the LVRR GP is a "MILW GP20" or a mis-labeled "ICG GP10"...

-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

CCP bought a big bunch of them. I think one by one they died and were replaced by paducha geeps. I saw a group of them at Woodcrest a few years back I recall them being scrapped on site.
I don't think they were ever changed from 17.5 ERS. I would have called them GP20-M's but no one payed any attention to me ! From 1969 to 1974, everyone was doing this to their locomotives. EMD had a spec sheet on exactly what to do, along with a parts list. The prime mover needed to be rebalenced etc.
Randy

The backbone of CC's fleet for most of its existence were indeed Paducah GPs, but the MILW GP20s played a big role as well, and also a few unrebuilt ex-IC(G) GPs. Some were rebuilt and repainted in CC's attractive red paint scheme, complete with green diamond. Some came to the railroad in good condition, and ran as-is. Some ran until they died, and still others were used as parts to keep the rest of the roster operational.

The CC had begun to replace their Paducah GPs with GP38s near the end of its existence, although I believe more of the GP8/10/11s made it back to the IC than did the 38s.

-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by fuzzybroken

QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350

Some sources also call these locomotives a GP20M; probably to avoid confusion with a real GP20.

A couple were scrapped while others went to serve on various shortlines.

Not me. A Milwaukee GP20 is a "MILW GP20", as opposed to a "EMD GP20".

I'm still wondering whether the LVRR GP is a "MILW GP20" or a mis-labeled "ICG GP10"...

-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

The LVRR #318 was a GP18 that was wrecked and rebuilt by IC Paducah Shops as essentially a Paducah GP10.

LC

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by fuzzybroken

QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350

Some sources also call these locomotives a GP20M; probably to avoid confusion with a real GP20.

A couple were scrapped while others went to serve on various shortlines.

Not me. A Milwaukee GP20 is a "MILW GP20", as opposed to a "EMD GP20".

I'm still wondering whether the LVRR GP is a "MILW GP20" or a mis-labeled "ICG GP10"...

-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken

I know. This was the source stated that it was a GP20M- http://www.thedieselshop.us/MilwRR.html

And I thought they had more than just 7of these... Hmm.. something ain't right here.

[enr2099]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Guilford350
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I know. This was the source stated that it was a GP20M- http://www.thedieselshop.us/MilwRR.html

And I thought they had more than just 7of these... Hmm.. something ain't right here.

That site has several errors. On the RailAmerica roster page it lists only one 3809(GP38) but there are actually two RailAmerica GP38's numbered 3809, CORP 3809 and E&N Railway 3809. It also lists VIA RDC's 6130, 6133, 6135, and 6148 as stored, when actually they are in operation on the E&N Railway, on VIA Rail trains 199 and 198, and 6130 is actually owned by FarmRail.

[fuzzybroken]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Limitedclear

The LVRR #318 was a GP18 that was wrecked and rebuilt by IC Paducah Shops as essentially a Paducah GP10.

LC

Hey, thanks, LC, for answering one of my original questions!!! [swg]

Nonetheless, I've enjoyed the great discussion from everyone.

Thanks,
-Mark
http://www.geocities.com/fuzzybroken