This is weird. The back to work legislation was passed on May 28, with an arbitrator to make recommendations 90 days later. It turns out it is 90 days after his appointment. The following news release states the arbitrator was only appointed last Thursday July 19.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/labour-minister-appoints-arbitrator-canadian-000100867.html;_ylt=A2KJjb1x3Q1Q2UkAriTwFAx.
Another example of the glacial pace of government inaction.
Bruce
So shovel the coal, let this rattler roll.
"A Train is a Place Going Somewhere" CP Rail Public Timetable
"O. S. Irricana"
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From a field perspective - one thing that both management and labor HAVE to understand - we worked together before the strike and WE HAVE to work together after the strike. The Senior officials of the company and the union can fight out the all the all the details - field personnel, both labor and management, have to live with what gets negotiated at the top of the chain.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
CP service is returning to normal:
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120601/cp-rail-service-returns-to-normal-strike-120601/
There is no real history of bad behaviour by either side after the end of one of these strikes in modern times. Particularly in these legislated back-to-work situations, as the final solutions aren't known until 90 days after work resumes and tempers have long since cooled.
My Dad said the only difficult return to work process he ever encountered was after the 1950 strike. That was when the non-op employees got the 40 hour work week. They went back to work for almost a week, and then there began a mysterious pattern of random layoff notices for periods of up to a week citing lack of business, when loaded cars could clearly be seen out of station windows waiting to go to their destinations. This situation lasted for about a month before things returned to normal, and hard feelings did subside.
The back-to-work legislation has passed in the Senate, and after receiving Royal Ascent (formality) will become effective 12 hours later.. Train will begin rolling Friday morning.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120531/Back-to-work-law-puts-CP-Rail-back-on-track-120531/
The back-to-work legislation has passed in the House of Commons, but due to procedural wrangling/obstructionist tactics in the Senate, the workers may not be ordered back by Thursday as originally suggested. At this point the end date of this strike is still undetermined.
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120530/back-to-work-bill-heads-to-senate-120530/
This just in:
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120529/cp-rail-strike-legislation-120529/
PNWRMNM Chancellor of the Exchequer.
Chancellor of the Exchequer.
On the former Irricana Sub. there was a town called Chancellor. There was a newspaper columnist from there, and the tag line under his name used to be "The Exchequer of Chancellor"!
There is no further news about the strike at this moment.
I did want to get back to what Kootenay Central mentioned on the previously locked CP Strike thread about shipping the carload of coal to the hospital during a strike. In many parts of Canada, towns existed to enable the railways to base the employees necessary to get trains to and from the towns where everybody else lived. Besides the railway employees, there would be shopkeepers, hospitals with doctors and nurses, and schools with teachers. And until after WWII, a lot of these places didn't have road access to the outside world.
During almost every strike, the unions would arrange to make some of these humanitarian type train runs to generate good publicity. It was quietly arranged before the strike even started, and would never occur in the same part of the country, two work stoppages in a row. Now these towns would always be needing supplies, so in the locations where there was not going to be one of these special runs, before the strike started, the scenario would go something like this.
One of the local Union Leaders would go and talk to someone in charge at the hospital, for example, and say something like "You know, the Joe Blow Coal Mine over in Miningtown has the capacity to load 25 cars a week, but lately they have been loading only 20 or 21 cars. If you talked with someone over there (which had already been arranged) I bet they could sell you a carload at a good price, if you took it RIGHT AWAY." The two men would then exchange slight nods and walk away. An order for a carload of coal would be placed forthwith.
The railwaymen and the rest of the townsfolk were all in the same boat together. And they had to live with each other after the strike was over.
I had also hoped that someone would have jumped in with more anecdotes or information about the Royal American Show trains, based out of Sarasota, FL. I have asked about this several times previously on both this forum and the Classic Trains Forum. There are some incredible stories out there. Amazingly, I had to read about it in a Shortwave Radio magazine back in the mid-nineties about how the trains, and all of their other equipment, including the rides, had been cut up for scrap. That was a really sad day for me, because of all the happy childhood memories I had.
After the show had run into trouble with the Canadian taxman, in the late seventies, a warrant for the owner's arrest had been put out should he ever return to Canada. After the show couldn't return to Canada, it went bankrupt a few years later.
Ulrich,
I always thought the basement was the relm of the Secretary of Interior, and don't even let me start on the Chancelor of the Exchecquer.
Mac
BaltACD samfp1943: Maybe things and the Posters get more rowdy on the Model Rail Forums? Politics and Labor issues have no place in MODEL railroading - The REAL RAILROADS are another animal entirely.
samfp1943: Maybe things and the Posters get more rowdy on the Model Rail Forums?
Maybe things and the Posters get more rowdy on the Model Rail Forums?
Politics and Labor issues have no place in MODEL railroading - The REAL RAILROADS are another animal entirely.
Politics and labor do have a place in model railroading as well, albeit on a much smaller scale. The politics involves convincing the rest of the family why Dad should get the entire basement for his model railroad empire, and the labor troubles are mostly due problems with Dad's lack of abilities and short fuse when it comes to some of the "trades"..like making a halfway realistic paper mache moutain...ah well...all in good fun.
samfp1943 Maybe things and the Posters get more rowdy on the Model Rail Forums?
BaltACD PNWRMNM: Baltimore, You have said this before. You were right then and you are right now. Anyone who has spent any time in the industry, or knows anything of its history, knows that politics is a huge part of the industry. [I really do not understand what Kalmbach is trying to accomplish with these hair trigger moderators.] emphasis added: Samfp1943 Mac McCulloch Having participated in sports since I was a child, the term 'rabbit ears' will frequently come into the conversation about various sports officials; most generally because when they hear anything about the officiating they take it as a personal attack and react by going over the top. No matter the quality of their officiating, such reactions alienate the participants on both sides of the game. Real railroads are intricately entwined with both labor issues and political issues; to deny those viewpoints in threads is to deny railroads their reality. I have personally been involved in strikes on both sides - labor and management - and the reality is, no matter what the issues of the strike are - we have to work together after the strike is settled. This applies to CP's field level manager and the field level employees as well; to get caught up on the rhetoric being spewed by both the Company leaders and the Union leaders does a disservice to all field level personnel since their individual thoughts will not influence what is negotiated or how it is negotiated. Once the strike is enacted, all powers are with Company leadership and Union leadership - with everyone else along for the ride until a agreement is ultimately reached.
PNWRMNM: Baltimore, You have said this before. You were right then and you are right now. Anyone who has spent any time in the industry, or knows anything of its history, knows that politics is a huge part of the industry. [I really do not understand what Kalmbach is trying to accomplish with these hair trigger moderators.] emphasis added: Samfp1943 Mac McCulloch
Baltimore,
You have said this before. You were right then and you are right now. Anyone who has spent any time in the industry, or knows anything of its history, knows that politics is a huge part of the industry.
[I really do not understand what Kalmbach is trying to accomplish with these hair trigger moderators.] emphasis added: Samfp1943
Mac McCulloch
Having participated in sports since I was a child, the term 'rabbit ears' will frequently come into the conversation about various sports officials; most generally because when they hear anything about the officiating they take it as a personal attack and react by going over the top. No matter the quality of their officiating, such reactions alienate the participants on both sides of the game.
Real railroads are intricately entwined with both labor issues and political issues; to deny those viewpoints in threads is to deny railroads their reality.
I have personally been involved in strikes on both sides - labor and management - and the reality is, no matter what the issues of the strike are - we have to work together after the strike is settled. This applies to CP's field level manager and the field level employees as well; to get caught up on the rhetoric being spewed by both the Company leaders and the Union leaders does a disservice to all field level personnel since their individual thoughts will not influence what is negotiated or how it is negotiated. Once the strike is enacted, all powers are with Company leadership and Union leadership - with everyone else along for the ride until a agreement is ultimately reached.
To Mac and Baltimore:
It is a shame that you both are not teaching history, because you've both got it down pat. Kudos to you both!
To what Mac said; (and I added emphasis).
Hi All
In this case cited, 'tabled' means 'put on the table' or 'put forward' for discussion/decision by the House of Commons.
According to Roberts/Bourinot's Rules of Order when a MOTION, once so presented, is 'tabled', it is taken out of debate, once it has been presented to Parliament. This action is taken for the purpose of further action, outside the Parliamentary forum, depending on the circumstances. Rules of Order are wonderful things which have a language and life all of their own, especially in the Canadian Parliamentary system.
Hope this helps
Charlie
Chilliwack, BC
BTW
Sure is something to hear CN freights eastbound on the main here. They really sound different. CN is running a lot of empty grain and other primarily bulk cars cars eastbound, especially in the mid afternoon, in two very long trains.
Came back from Calgary on Saturday. CP has a lot of trains tied down in very inconvenient places on the main, especially around Revelstoke.
It will be interesting to see how operations resume once Mr Harper has done his 'magic'.
C
BroadwayLion In the USA when we "table" legislation it means that we are NOT going to look at it and might (or might not) bring it back again at a later date. In UK and presumably Canada they "table" legislation meaning that they want to deal with it right now: They want action this minute. The English and the Americans got nowhere in WW-II until they figured this out. ROAR
In the USA when we "table" legislation it means that we are NOT going to look at it and might (or might not) bring it back again at a later date.
In UK and presumably Canada they "table" legislation meaning that they want to deal with it right now: They want action this minute.
The English and the Americans got nowhere in WW-II until they figured this out.
ROAR
What we have here is a failure to communicate!
The US & the English Commonwealth countries are separated by a common language.
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The Government of Canada(Federal government) has tabled Legislation ordering CPR employees back to work within the last hour or so. No word yet on when it will become law (effective).
http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20120528/canadian-pacific-railway-strike-legislation-120528/
PNWRMNM Baltimore, You have said this before. You were right then and you are right now. Anyone who has spent any time in the industry, or knows anything of its history, knows that politics is a huge part of the industry. I really do not understand what Kalmbach is trying to accomplish with these hair trigger moderators. Mac McCulloch
I really do not understand what Kalmbach is trying to accomplish with these hair trigger moderators.
The Vice President of the TCRC has given an interview with one of the local TV Breakfast shows this morning. The link to the story and the related interview are presented here without further comment.
http://calgary.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20120525/CGY_teamsters_canada_cp_rail_120525/20120525/?hub=CalgaryHome
As far as I can see from other media, this strike has entered a holding pattern until the House of Commons, in Ottawa, has resumed sitting on Monday, and the back-to-work Legislation will be tabled.
RE: Sir Maddog's comment in locking the Original CP Strike thread.
There is nothing that the 'more railroad' than labor actions within the rail industry. Rail Unions and their strike were at the forefront of the overall Union movement in the US. You cannot discuss railroads in the US and Canada without crossing into the areas of labor/management conflicts on many levels and carrier/government conflicts on many levels. ie. Unions & Politics are cardinal principals in 21st Century railroading - to think that meaningful threads can exist without discussing these principals is naive in the extreme.
Picket LIONS...
I thought that that last subway strike in NYC would not affect my railroad, but I was mistaken.
As of the 11:00 News tonight there are no new developments today. The negotiators are negotiating, and the Government is waiting to see how the talks progress before taking any further action.
With a nod to Tatans and The Butler for the new thread tittle. My Dad would approve.
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