Train Collision in Indiana.

[sfcouple]

edblysard

Then maybe you should get in the habit of either getting your clairvoyant hat tuned up on a regular basis, or try popping in here once a week or so to see the topics under discussion, as a lot of what is here can relate back to the model world.

Lots of prototype information is right here at your fingertips, and lots of railroaders will happily answer your questions on how, what and why goes on at the real railroads.

Just a suggestion....

 

sfcouple:

 

I posted this story on the Model Railroad forum shortly after receiving a breaking news report via email.  My thread was subsequently moved to Trains by a moderator at Model Railroader.  Since I wasn't wearing my clairvoyant hat when the item was originally posted at Model Railroader, I wasn't aware of another posting on the Train forum.  

Wayne  

 

 

 

Thanks for the suggestion, and I do pop in once in a while but usually don't post.  On the day in question, which seems to have generated a lot of interest, I was somewhat occupied and just did a quick posting on the Model Railroad form that I thought might be of general interest over there.  Quite frankly, it didn't occur to me to check on the Trains Forum which is something I should have done---and I never ever thought that my posting would get transferred to Trains.  

You are correct that there is a lot of valuable information on Trains and I do enjoy visiting this site to read the opinion of railroad professionals.  Although I got my hands dirty in another profession, you guys generate a lot of respect from me and I always enjoy the comments on Trains.  I have learned a lot !  

I certainly didn't intend to cause any controversy with my posting, and in the future I will leave stories like this to the pros and just assume you guys have the bases covered.    So I'll close with something I tell my leo son: "be careful out there."

Wayne 

[edblysard]

Then maybe you should get in the habit of either getting your clairvoyant hat tuned up on a regular basis, or try popping in here once a week or so to see the topics under discussion, as a lot of what is here can relate back to the model world.

Lots of prototype information is right here at your fingertips, and lots of railroaders will happily answer your questions on how, what and why goes on at the real railroads.

Just a suggestion....

sfcouple

I posted this story on the Model Railroad forum shortly after receiving a breaking news report via email.  My thread was subsequently moved to Trains by a moderator at Model Railroader.  Since I wasn't wearing my clairvoyant hat when the item was originally posted at Model Railroader, I wasn't aware of another posting on the Train forum.  

Wayne  

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

"+1" 

[BaltACD]

The model RR area of the forum and the real RR area of the form are for practical purposes worlds apart and should be handled as their own worlds.  If there are multiple threads on the same subject in one world, I have no problem consolidating them, however, consolidating threads across the borders of a forum just confuses the issue beyond all recognition.  If the mod's think there is a legitimate reason for users to view the thread in the 'other' forum - write a post with the link to the illuminating thread.

tree68

samfp1943:

BaltACD:

A more appropriate 'fix' for this thread would have been to leave it in it's Model Railroad forum and provide the link to the real railroad forum thread..."

 

EXCELENT Suggestion!

Thanks, BaltACD!

 

A common practice on a local forum I help moderate is to merge multiple threads on the same topic into one thread.  Last time I looked, there were three threads on this forum alone about this incident.  If that's possible with this forum software, it deserves consideration.

[tree68]

samfp1943

BaltACD:

A more appropriate 'fix' for this thread would have been to leave it in it's Model Railroad forum and provide the link to the real railroad forum thread..."

 

EXCELENT Suggestion!

Thanks, BaltACD!

A common practice on a local forum I help moderate is to merge multiple threads on the same topic into one thread.  Last time I looked, there were three threads on this forum alone about this incident.  If that's possible with this forum software, it deserves consideration.

[samfp1943]

BaltACD

Mods -

While you may think you are doing the forum a favor by moving threads from one area of the forum to another  - all you are really doing in moving the topic from the forum in which it was created is to remove it from the audience for which it was intended by the original poster.

"...For  the most part the Model Railroaders stick to their forums - the 1:1 Scale railroaders stick to theirs.  Moving threads creates unneeded confusion for both category of forum citizens.

A more appropriate 'fix' for this thread would have been to leave it in it's Model Railroad forum and provide the link to the real railroad forum thread..."

EXCELENT Suggestion!

Thanks, BaltACD!

[sfcouple]

BaltACD,

Thank you for a nice concise solution/explanation to the issue at hand.   

Wayne 

[BaltACD]

Mods -

While you may think you are doing the forum a favor by moving threads from one area of the forum to another  - all you are really doing in moving the topic from the forum in which it was created is to remove it from the audience for which it was intended by the original poster.

For  the most part the Model Railroaders stick to their forums - the 1:1 Scale railroaders stick to theirs.  Moving threads creates unneeded confusion for both category of forum citizens.

A more appropriate 'fix' for this thread would have been to leave it in it's Model Railroad forum and provide the link to the real railroad forum thread.

[sfcouple]

I posted this story on the Model Railroad forum shortly after receiving a breaking news report via email.  My thread was subsequently moved to Trains by a moderator at Model Railroader.  Since I wasn't wearing my clairvoyant hat when the item was originally posted at Model Railroader, I wasn't aware of another posting on the Train forum.  

Wayne  

[samfp1943]

CShaveRR

Hate to be blunt here, but there is a very good thread giving the most precise information currently possible on this incident.  It was on CSX, near Valparaiso, Indiana, in two-track CTC territory.

PLEASE SEE the following link to the Thread that Carl (CShaveRR) mentions.

http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/201205/2199941.aspx#2199941

"Possible big derailment on CSX"

It is sort of counter productive to have two separate  Threads on the same topic, not to mention a lot of information gets lost between the two.

Suggestion:  Always best to check for a preexisting THread  before starting a new Thread.

The Thread mentioned was started very shortly after the accident occurred and has lots of information as to the location and what happened. 

MP173 replied on 01-07-2012 11:27 AM   [Thread Started]

Not to mention a dozen photos of the scene on TRAINS Newswire of this date: 01/09/12

[CShaveRR]

Hate to be blunt here, but there is a very good thread giving the most precise information currently possible on this incident.  It was on CSX, near Valparaiso, Indiana, in two-track CTC territory.

[rogertra]

Did this happen in single or double track territory?

Were exactly did this happen?  CNN is vague.

A Google Earth reference would be handy.

 

 

[rrinker]

 I can;t help but think this might never have happened had there still been a caboose on the first train - there would have been crew at the rear of the first stopped train to immediately provide flag protection and possibly prevent the second train from rear-ending it. ANd with no debris on the adjacent track, the third train would have been fine.

               --Randy

[dehusman]

Motley

OMG! Three trains collided, wow! That's gotta be a rare kind of accident. Glad nobody was lost.

Not that rare.  There are specific rules in place regarding train crews protecting adjacent tracks when the train goes in emergency.  I know of one instance that nearly involved 4 trains.

[cowman]

Sounds like a royal mess even without Hazmat.  Hope there wasn't any, a whole lot easier to clean up.

That is something that sounds like a model rr problem than the real thing.

Good that no one was seriously hurt.

Richard

[Motley]

OMG! Three trains collided, wow! That's gotta be a rare kind of accident. Glad nobody was lost.

[sfcouple]

Sounds as if there was a major train collision involving three separate trains in Indiana.  Fortunately no lives were lost but some were taken to local hospitals:

 

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/chi-fire-chemical-spill-after-trains-collide-in-nw-indiana-20120106,0,3134190.story