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Posted by ValleyX on Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:24 PM
And here it is, Team Engineers.  Bringing it back to the top of the list.
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Posted by Justicar on Monday, February 14, 2005 6:28 PM
Did anyone mention how it would be so boring during your off-time that you'd end up committing ritualistic suicide to end the suffering? After about 16-20 hours in a hotel room I've watched all the tv and talked on the phone all that I care do to. What sorts of activities are available? There isn't any place to even take a walk. At least at the hotel I can talk to the staff or other guests down in the lobby or walk into town, do some shopping, go to a restaurant or a bar....take a walk or a run or workout. The amount of money I'd have to be paid to endure all that would even add to the whole idea not being "cost effective".
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Monday, February 14, 2005 4:41 AM
i dont know..some people just dont know when to leave sleeping dogs lie i guess....
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Posted by ValleyX on Monday, February 14, 2005 4:40 AM
Why did this topic get dredged up again? Imagine the safety issues when the team conductor and engineer are at each others' throat after spending a constant 24 hours each and every day with each other in the cab and on the coach.
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Posted by arbfbe on Monday, February 14, 2005 12:14 AM
Well, sure, the railroad companies are all for it. They virtually eliminate dogcatching of crews. As soon as a crew gets their 12 hours in the relief crew walks up from the dorm car and takes over. What a good deal for the beancounters and trainmasters.

Look at the lifestyle the crews face. Away from home for 30 days at a time just like the steamship companies. But each day is the same 12 hours on and then 12 hours off every day for 30 days. Sleep interrupted by the slack action of the train, the noise of meeting trains. Forget something, sorry, no chance to pick some up along the way. Your train gets parked for a couple of days for staging, there you sit perhaps out in the sticks somewhere. How many days worth of food can you carry? What kind of off duty activities can you find to do that will not bother the other member of the crew if they decide to sleep while you are up? Family time? Get a good cell phone plan with lots of minutes and hope you have a tower when you want to catch up. What about laundry? Washer and dryer on board? Sure must be hard to go back and forth through your home town for 30 days and be unable to get off to see the family. So you need to lay off for a day for an emergency, how do you get back home from Timbuktoo and what about all the wages lost for that one day you really need?

Talk about a bad lifestyle getting worse. No thanks.

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:04 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by BigJim

What a stupid idiotic idea[:(!]

The clown that thought this up obviously doesn't have a family or care about having a home cooked meal or even care about sleeping in his own bed.
lol..... "The Clown".... oh so true...some people have no real clue about what "realy" goes on in the wonderfull world of railroading...
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Posted by BigJim on Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:12 PM
What a stupid idiotic idea[:(!]

The clown that thought this up obviously doesn't have a family or care about having a home cooked meal or even care about sleeping in his own bed.

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:56 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by HighIron2003ar

Trucking is a whole different ball game versus railroads. My wife and I drove Reefer team for a year. All we did was rescue troubled and late loads from single drivers who for whatever reason cannot get to customer on time.

24/7, cooking, sleeping and restrooms on board and on the move. Stopping only for fuel and maybe a rest break if things get too intense in that cab. We covered loads that literally cannot stop.

With the waste in terms of time leaking out of the railroads a team operation wont improve things.

Now. You can design a locomotive to include bunks that are isolated from the rest of the engine. We do this all the time when building semi tractors. Sometimes things are so quiet you dont even realize the engine is running.

Then you need to design a space for the crew to live in. A cab is a small place for two people over time. Fit in the necessary storage space and eletrical/climate support and a small desk you already are intruding into current locomotive technology. We would have to add space onto the locomotive itself to make this all work.

No. I veto the team engineer idea.

I dont think railroads will make deliverys any faster using teams. In order to speed up trains with teams you gotta speed up everything else to keep up with train. For example we could load in New Jersey at noon monday and be passing Little Rock Arkansas tuesday at noon with Armarillo Tx by midnight tuesday.

Can you keep up? When you consider the potential for work orders, slow areas, yards and division points as well as possible problem cars and everything else that can interfere with the high speed transit over a short period of time along with the Human knack of throwing a monkey wrench into everything at the worst time.

If the rails can do it they would have already done so.

who is responsable for the maintinace of the cooking equipment in the cab of the truck? you or the trucking company....
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, February 11, 2005 6:46 PM
Trucking is a whole different ball game versus railroads. My wife and I drove Reefer team for a year. All we did was rescue troubled and late loads from single drivers who for whatever reason cannot get to customer on time.

24/7, cooking, sleeping and restrooms on board and on the move. Stopping only for fuel and maybe a rest break if things get too intense in that cab. We covered loads that literally cannot stop.

With the waste in terms of time leaking out of the railroads a team operation wont improve things.

Now. You can design a locomotive to include bunks that are isolated from the rest of the engine. We do this all the time when building semi tractors. Sometimes things are so quiet you dont even realize the engine is running.

Then you need to design a space for the crew to live in. A cab is a small place for two people over time. Fit in the necessary storage space and eletrical/climate support and a small desk you already are intruding into current locomotive technology. We would have to add space onto the locomotive itself to make this all work.

No. I veto the team engineer idea.

I dont think railroads will make deliverys any faster using teams. In order to speed up trains with teams you gotta speed up everything else to keep up with train. For example we could load in New Jersey at noon monday and be passing Little Rock Arkansas tuesday at noon with Armarillo Tx by midnight tuesday.

Can you keep up? When you consider the potential for work orders, slow areas, yards and division points as well as possible problem cars and everything else that can interfere with the high speed transit over a short period of time along with the Human knack of throwing a monkey wrench into everything at the worst time.

If the rails can do it they would have already done so.
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Posted by coborn35 on Friday, February 11, 2005 6:27 PM
I think they should put a crew car immediatly behind the last locomotive and then when they need to switch crews just put the train on a siding and then quickly switch the crew. The crew cars should be a sleeper/lounge with a refrigerator, sinks, bathtubs (more than one[;)]) and a place to lounge and look over fututre train orders.

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Monday, September 6, 2004 3:56 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Interesting stuff, to say the least. Some observations....

1. Is there really that much contrast between railroading and ships/barges? The latter seem to have worked it out, why not the former?

2. IF this idea were somehow implemented today, it would be done on a limited scale, and probably not injected into the regular mix. I can see it working for the 3 to 5 day round trip, but not much longer due to the points made by the topic participants (e.g. food, linen/laudry, crew members hating each others guts). The shorter rotation may be enough to get rid of the more out of the way crew change points (cost savings to the railroads) without causing too much grief among workers. If a Pullman sleeper is good enough for the average rail traveler, it should be sufficient for the crew as well. Wouldn't you rather stay in a moving Pullman than in a motel with some noisy party going on upstairs?

3. Aren't there a number of the push/pull commuter cars with controls at one end? Take one of these, convert it to the mini dorm, and stick it in front of the consist, with the engines following. Or, place the Pullman in between the lead and trailing engines. There goes your slack action risk. Of course, a dorm car at the head end of the train can lead to other problems if the unfortunate happens.

4. Then again, maybe the federales will finally pull the plug on Amtrak, and there will be a sudden surplus of passenger equipment available cheap for such an experiment.
river boats also go at a slower speed the trains... the channels are clearly marked for navigation... and the "terrain" is fearly uniform...only time a riverboat has to make a physical terrain change is in a lock and dam...and that is just pull in..pump up or let out water out of the lock to reach the proper leaval of water for what ever dirrection your going..upstream or down.... also... i know people that work on river boats... the reason they run crews the way they do is becouse of the lack of places to tie up a crew for rest...not to many hotels long river banks that will acomidate river tug and bardges....the boats is a clear example of lack of fasilitys for crews...so they have no choise but to stay on the boat....also..the boats have built into them gallies and crew quarters... no extra cost realy required for mantinance since its all 1 unit...an extra car on a train is an extra cost..... also...it takes years and years for one to beome a river boat pilot.....
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Monday, September 6, 2004 3:46 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

What if we named the first crew car something more appealing, like "Mustang Ranch" or "Hooters"? Bet that'll get them to try it out......
that still wont happen... just becouse mustang ranch or hooters or even the bunny ranch is painted on the side..the fact will still be..its a car full of overworked sweety men and maybe a few women that are in it.... paint is paint...a name is a name....makes no differnce
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 6, 2004 1:59 AM
What if we named the first crew car something more appealing, like "Mustang Ranch" or "Hooters"? Bet that'll get them to try it out......
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, September 6, 2004 1:07 AM
Interesting stuff, to say the least. Some observations....

1. Is there really that much contrast between railroading and ships/barges? The latter seem to have worked it out, why not the former?

2. IF this idea were somehow implemented today, it would be done on a limited scale, and probably not injected into the regular mix. I can see it working for the 3 to 5 day round trip, but not much longer due to the points made by the topic participants (e.g. food, linen/laudry, crew members hating each others guts). The shorter rotation may be enough to get rid of the more out of the way crew change points (cost savings to the railroads) without causing too much grief among workers. If a Pullman sleeper is good enough for the average rail traveler, it should be sufficient for the crew as well. Wouldn't you rather stay in a moving Pullman than in a motel with some noisy party going on upstairs?

3. Aren't there a number of the push/pull commuter cars with controls at one end? Take one of these, convert it to the mini dorm, and stick it in front of the consist, with the engines following. Or, place the Pullman in between the lead and trailing engines. There goes your slack action risk. Of course, a dorm car at the head end of the train can lead to other problems if the unfortunate happens.

4. Then again, maybe the federales will finally pull the plug on Amtrak, and there will be a sudden surplus of passenger equipment available cheap for such an experiment.
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Posted by arbfbe on Sunday, September 5, 2004 1:48 PM
The BN actually floated this idea in the Powder River Basin in the early 1980's. The idea was that crews would work between specific power plants and coal mines which would somewhat reduce the amount of trackage they would have to learn. The plan was 30 days on and 30 days at home. Back then there were still old passenger cars available to modify into crew quarters, now they would cost over a million dollars each to build from the ground up. The logistics related to food, laundry, linens, entertainment and such are far more daunting than you might imagine. The idea was not popular among crew members at that time and the idea was quickly shelved.

Speeding up the freight is more related to capital improvemts to increase capacity than changing and dogcatching crews online. I doubt crews are willing to give the companies any more of their time given the way things operate now. It is nice to be home at least every second or third day with the family or just to transact normal household business and chores.

While the remote operation is certainly feasible the capital costs are going to be overwhelming for some time to come. The highest traffic corridors make the best place to spread the capital costs among the greatest number of loads yet these are the same places where any failure causes the highest costs. It is amazing just how many places that there are along all mainlines that are just not easily accessible if the train is broken in two or out of fuel......
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 5, 2004 1:44 PM
LOL! I continue to love this Forum! I plead guilty! I started this miserable thread! ".... IF IT WAS POSSABLE...THE RAILROADS WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT!!!"
Guess that's one way to look at most any idea ... new or old. LOL!
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Posted by Anonymous on Sunday, September 5, 2004 11:29 AM
The Rock Island proposed this idea back in '79. They called their idea "Crews Train." The railroads were finally able to rid themselves of cabooses. A source for injuries, and added maintenance costs. I can't see railroads investing millions for dorm cars. If one were to go bad order on a trip, then what? If a dorm showed up with the relief crew on board and there were no sheets, or the kitchen was bo, then what. How about the crew member that said he injured himself coming out of the shower just when the slack ran in.
We can name the first crew-sleeper, "Pandora's Box."
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Posted by ValleyX on Sunday, September 5, 2004 1:30 AM
Even if this were set up with satellite maps, space age technology, if the engineer is human, it would be similar to running a train by referring to a track chart, something that doesn't work very well and generally makes the conductor a nervous wreck, to say nothing of the engineer. As for not liking the topic, heck, I think it's ridiculous.
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Saturday, September 4, 2004 4:42 PM
like i said befor
the NON RAILS people seem to have all the awnsers to questions that no one but them asked.... IF IT WAS POSSABLE...THE RAILROADS WOULD ALREADY BE DOING IT!!! railroads are in biz to make money and if they can trim money off the bottom in anyways they can..they will do it to incress the bottome line!!!! what part of NOT COST EFECTIVE dont you understand!!!! CREWS NOT WANTING TO DO IT IS ONLY A SMALL PART OF THE ISSUE HERE.... THE FACT THAT THE COSTS WOULD OUT WEIGH ANY BENIFIT IS THE MAJOR ISSUE!!!!!! RAILROADS ARE NOT GOING TO BUY AND MAINTAIN SLEEPER CARS FOR FREIGHT TRAINS... THEY ARE NOT GOING TO SHELL OUT THE THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF DOLLORS IT WILL TAKE JUST TO GET 1 SET OF CREWS QUIFIED OVER THE ROAD....LET ALONE A SMALL POOL OF THEM...
AND HERE IS AN ISSUE THAT NO ONE BROUGHT UP...ARE YOU WILLING AND CAPIABLE TO SPEND DAYS AND DAYS ON A TRAIN WITH THE SAME FEW PEOPLE!!!! WHAT IF YOUR WORKING WITH SOMEONE THAT YOU DONT GET ALONG WITH VERY WELL..NOW YOUR STUCK IN A LIVING HELL OF A CROSS COUNTRY TRIP ON A TRAIN..WITH ON WHERE TO GO TO GET AWAY FROM THAT PERSON....
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, September 4, 2004 11:50 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by ValleyX

Futurmodal, you paint a dismal picture, you think that we outlaw on the Hours of Service each and every trip and that we spend no time at home whatsoever. That simply isn't the case and I also stay in some very nice away-from-home lodgings, nicer than the Super 8, that's for sure.

This team engineer idea really isn't very feasible, I know you're thinking that I cannot think progressively or that I'm mired in the past but it isn't really a very good idea. Although different contributors had pointed out valid reasons why it isn't, all of you supporting it continue to refute those reasons. Actually, this topic should be put on the dead list.


I'm sure if the current crop of engineers don't want to try it, you won't have to. We have also read posts here from some who wouldn't mind giving it a try in some form. If somehow the railroads were allowed to try out this concept, I would think it would be on a voluntary basis in order to past muster with the unions.

The whole point of trying new things is to see if things can be made more productive. If the team engineer concept makes progress in the areas of stranded trains, unnecessary stops for crew change, the virtual elimination of the idea of going dead and the added burdens on dispatchers trying to schedule meets around the possibility of a crew running out of time, then it's worth a try. Any railroad that can schedule point to point running without these distractions will be light years ahead of those who continue to put up with these idiosyncrasies.

If you're uncomfortable with a certain topic, don't read it. Trying to make a valid topic of discussion go dead because you disagree with it is a form of censorship.
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Posted by ValleyX on Saturday, September 4, 2004 11:27 AM
Futurmodal, you paint a dismal picture, you think that we outlaw on the Hours of Service each and every trip and that we spend no time at home whatsoever. That simply isn't the case and I also stay in some very nice away-from-home lodgings, nicer than the Super 8, that's for sure.

This team engineer idea really isn't very feasible, I know you're thinking that I cannot think progressively or that I'm mired in the past but it isn't really a very good idea. Although different contributors had pointed out valid reasons why it isn't, all of you supporting it continue to refute those reasons. Actually, this topic should be put on the dead list.
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Friday, September 3, 2004 5:33 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by futuremodal

Interesting topic! One question that really wasn't answered: Is the current situation optimal? Going dead out in the the sticks due to unforeseen circumstances, waiting a few hours for the shuttle cab to take you to the Sticky Sheets Motel, getting called back on duty while still under the influence of the Budweiser and aspirin you had the night before, getting oh so close to home on the return trip only to end up dead again with another few hours delay, finally getting home at God knows when only to realize that the whole nightmare will probably repeat itself in less than 12 hours.......

CSXEngineer, are you SURE you wouldn't at least want to try it out (preferably with the Pullman sleeper)? Seems to me that the current situation isn't exactly something to write home about!
nope i dont want to try it... becouse it will never happen!!!! the costs of it far out weigh the gains if any in the first place..in the long run....i can stand being on a train for over 12 hours becouse even thow im sitting dead wating on a crew to releive me...IM MAKING MONEY.....AND AT TIME AND A HALF TO BOOT!!! the problem with trains outlawing and haveing to wait for a crew ..the delay is becouse someone higher up the food chain waited to long to get someone into posstion...or they have a problem with the taxi company getting a taxi.... dispatchers have a nasty habbit of screwing with you up untill you only got a few hours to work..and then they want to run the wheels off of you... putting more then 1 crew on the train eliminates nothing...
also..the hotels that they put you up in are not the crapy shitholes that you think they are....i stay at a holiday Inn or a super 8..both are well maintaied and the bed sheets are always clean......
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, September 3, 2004 12:55 AM
Interesting topic! One question that really wasn't answered: Is the current situation optimal? Going dead out in the the sticks due to unforeseen circumstances, waiting a few hours for the shuttle cab to take you to the Sticky Sheets Motel, getting called back on duty while still under the influence of the Budweiser and aspirin you had the night before, getting oh so close to home on the return trip only to end up dead again with another few hours delay, finally getting home at God knows when only to realize that the whole nightmare will probably repeat itself in less than 12 hours.......

CSXEngineer, are you SURE you wouldn't at least want to try it out (preferably with the Pullman sleeper)? Seems to me that the current situation isn't exactly something to write home about!
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Posted by mvlandsw on Thursday, September 2, 2004 5:25 AM
Where do I sign up? I'd like to try it. I've worked on about 1100 miles of railroad and it's always interesting to go to new places. A pullman style car with assigned rooms and a small kitchen should be ok for off duty quarters. The actual crew change might not take long, but all the steps necessary to get the relief crew ready to go at the time the train arrives make it hard to do successfully.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, September 1, 2004 12:26 AM
My wife and I drove team in a Tractor Trailer for a period of time. While this provided us benefits of labor division and the company a rather overworked vehicle to provide "On-time" service to customers with loads being taken from single drivers who are tired and running late. In the last days of our time out, tempers were short, cooking on the move stopping for fuel when needed and always on the move 24/7 usually under conditions of a load that is late and cannot be allowed to not arrive on time.

We did ok, but definately needed our space and made sure to be home 3 days every month half of which was spent getting ready for the next tour. There is no question of the ability to cover great distances. There must not be any problems with the equiptment and or the ability to be there at a set time anywhere in the USA.

In railroading I dont think team engineers will work out very well. The clock is all mighty and everything provides for the crew for up to and including "quitting time" I suppose one can try to make it work on a train but dispatchers constantly steal power and running on "unknown track" the first few times will seriously cut into travel time.

With such iffy food and sanitation as well as uncertianty and the need for "space" at times it is not really that great for the crews as it runs today. I dont think we should think about teams for trains.
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Posted by espeefoamer on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 8:05 PM
There is one more thing that I think hasn't been addressed yet. An engineer has to qualify for every piece of track he runs over.This would be almost impossible in a team operation.
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 7:44 PM
some of you still dont seem to know what goes into being an engineer.... first off..... you all still think that their is delay caused by crew changes... NOT TRUE.... delays are caused by line of road issues such as traffic congestion... slow orders... and mechanical problems...2nd.... running a train is not like driving a truck or car.... when you have 2 miles of train strung out behind you... eveything you do in the head end with the power affects the train behind you in some way... and when you factor in the terrain of the rail road..one wrong move with the amont of throttle or dynamic brakes could rip your train in 2..thus couseing more delay!!! it takes months and months to realy learn any strech of rail road as far as how to handel a train over it in a safe and controlled mannor...now... try haveing to learn thounsands of miles for just a one way trip... also keep in mind..that every train is differnt..and they DONT ALL HANDLE THE SAME!!!! they never do....you could have the extact same cars...with the exact same power ..but the train will handel differnt evey trip...one trip you might be able to use the air...the next trip you might not becouse the train as a kicker....these factors play into how you handle a train...3rd..you think the rail roads are going to shell out money for pilots for months and months till a crew is just bearly quilfied...if in fact it is postable for someone to be 100% quilfied on evey inch of the rails...it would be cheeper for them to pay multipule crews...
and no one addressed the issues i have made befor about feeding me and personal hygine!!! paying a cook to stay on a train from coast to coast is one thing...they just cook...they arent driving the damn thing!!!
untill your in the seat..and know how what is actual involved with being an engineer... you have no real idea what i am talking about...the idea looks great to you...but face it..if it would have been cost affective...the rail roads would be doing it now on thier home roads on thrugh freights!!!!
BOTTOM LINE.....NOT COST AFFECTIVE!!!!!
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Posted by Randy Stahl on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:49 AM
I never had a problem sleeping in locomotive cabs !!!
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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Tuesday, August 31, 2004 11:46 AM
A couple of thoughts related to Mark Twain and airline practice. First to the easy part, which is the airline practice of putting crews on four- or five-day trips, with a corresponding interval of time off. You start your trip at a particular hub and four days later, you finish at that hub. Granted, compared to railroads, airlines fly a tightly-controlled schedule that allows for highly optimized crew scheduling, but the four-on four-off model does definitely allow an occasional pass at a home life for railroaders. Of course, I don't think it is within the capabilities of the railroad management legions to make something like that work, since they can barely make a much less involved scheduling system work today.

Now, with respect to Mark Twain, it has been a while since I read his Mississippi Riverboat writing (how many of you have to sing that damned song to spell Mississippi correctly?) but one thing I recall from it is his reminder that once you learned the river, you had to keep relearning it, since it was constantly changing. Today, that is not so much the case, with the locks and dams up and down the river gentling (most of the time) the river and making it a little more stable in route.

The other point that Twain made was that two things led to the demise of the Mississippi River pilot as a noble profession: the Civil War, which took a lot of traffic off of the lower Mississippi and the railroads being built alongside of it, which took most of the rest. It was those two things which took him west in search of greener pastures (or greener frogs, but that is a whole other short story).

While the multi-crewed train makes some sense, I doubt that it will ever occur because (1) it would require additional capital investment to support the additional crew members needs, (2) it would require an advance in railroad logistical abilities that is probably not possible and (3) it would require one or more executives to commit to getting the details worked out sufficiently to make the gamble worth while (i.e., show some guts).

I don't think even one of the three necessaries is possible.

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